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Jita locked out again.... this is getting worst.

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RAW23
#61 - 2014-02-10 11:44:51 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
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I understand now

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#62 - 2014-02-10 11:54:54 UTC
Samoth Egnoled wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Jove Death wrote:
So theres no way the node can be overloaded permanently to like 4000 chars?

Being a bit thick here but what is the limit on one system?
There is no hard limit, a node will simply have a hard time keeping up with processing as the number of pilots grows and as they do more things.


So with the current size of battles that are happening in 0.0 where you have to implement Tidi to make it playable at all, and the fact that Jita is frequently being capped to save the node dying. Would you conclude that it is logical to assume that the current hardware that Eve is run on is insufficient for it's intended purpose going forward?
No.

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Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#63 - 2014-02-10 11:57:46 UTC
Current Eve server hardware is probably one of the best, if not the best, hardware in the whole gaming industry.

Also, just like in-game battles, if you increased the server cap of Jita it would just be a matter of time before we reach that cap again. Maybe less quickly than for eve battles but still.

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The Scope
#64 - 2014-02-10 11:59:17 UTC
or go create your market somewhere else or go improve another one like dodixie ... eve is a sandbox ( I've read that somewhere) so blow jita .. by going elsewhere.

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

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Dior Rellik
NERFSQUAD
#65 - 2014-02-10 12:35:17 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Spammers in Jita local don't contribute to the load that much since chat is on its own nodes. The load in Jita primarily stems from the traffic to and from the system, i.e., the transport, pilots jumping in and out of the system and docking/undocking. A fair amount of processing goes into delivering the market transactions (but the market itself is on another node). Then there is always some pew-pew to process.

Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots. Jita has a dedicated node to itself, one of the fleet fight nodes. Next are Amarr, Dodixie, and Rens. We don't cap them but dedicate Amarr on regular hardware.

Top stations are:

Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy
Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant
Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury



Just by being in the system they are adding to load. Unless of course you are denying player count in system has any impact at all.... Just kick them the hell out and give Jita a channel that can be accessed anywhere like other channels. No matter what you say, the amount of spammers is ridiculous and people need to get in and out trade.

or

allow us to buy / sell in adjacent systems and use NPC transporters to move the orders in and out of the system.

Something Like

Right click - Buy item X
Select option to request item be delivered to your station/stystem (extra isk charge on top)
complete purchase
After 30 seconds, the item appears in your inventory with a notification that NPC X corp has delivered your items. This can only be done in the systems adjacent to the 4 main hub systems.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2014-02-10 12:46:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Dior Rellik wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Spammers in Jita local don't contribute to the load that much since chat is on its own nodes. The load in Jita primarily stems from the traffic to and from the system, i.e., the transport, pilots jumping in and out of the system and docking/undocking. A fair amount of processing goes into delivering the market transactions (but the market itself is on another node). Then there is always some pew-pew to process.

Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots. Jita has a dedicated node to itself, one of the fleet fight nodes. Next are Amarr, Dodixie, and Rens. We don't cap them but dedicate Amarr on regular hardware.

Top stations are:

Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy
Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant
Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury



Just by being in the system they are adding to load. Unless of course you are denying player count in system has any impact at all.... Just kick them the hell out and give Jita a channel that can be accessed anywhere like other channels. No matter what you say, the amount of spammers is ridiculous and people need to get in and out trade.

or

allow us to buy / sell in adjacent systems and use NPC transporters to move the orders in and out of the system.

Something Like

Right click - Buy item X
Select option to request item be delivered to your station/stystem (extra isk charge on top)
complete purchase
After 30 seconds, the item appears in your inventory with a notification that NPC X corp has delivered your items. This can only be done in the systems adjacent to the 4 main hub systems.

He's pretty much saying that as long as they're not undocking, docking, etc they're just a spammer in a channel with its own node. If you're in station not doing anything the node that JIta runs off can virtually ignore you for all practical purposes. It'd be different if the spammers were out in space with drone deployed, jumping in and out of Jita or docking redocking constantly but they're not.

If you've ever been in a heavily TiDi laggy system (Jita for example) you'll notice the chat doesn't slow down like the system does.

Edit: I proposed that idea of yours a while ago in F&I, buying from market hubs with a delayed delivery or with extra charges attached for remote delivery but apparently traders would hate it. But its a better idea being able to buy in New Caldari, Perimeter etc than having sit at gate spamming jump imo.

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#67 - 2014-02-10 12:52:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
With the odd rare event and one out of 7,500 systems being the only exceptions to the rule that the game chugs along quite nicely, it rather seems logical to assume that the current hardware is sufficient.


I also doubt many MMO servers can match the tech specs of Tranquility as outlined in this PC Gamer article from last year:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online/


But seriously people, why do you HAVE to go to Jita? I mean okay, some very rare items are usually found only there, but for nearly everything else mundane you can actually get better profits from other superhubs (Dodixie, Amarr, Rens), or even smaller local hubs (for example, Hek).
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2014-02-10 12:55:43 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
Tippia wrote:
With the odd rare event and one out of 7,500 systems being the only exceptions to the rule that the game chugs along quite nicely, it rather seems logical to assume that the current hardware is sufficient.


I also doubt many MMO servers can match the tech specs of Tranquility as outlined in this PC Gamer article from last year:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online/


But seriously people, why do you HAVE to go to Jita? I mean okay, some very rare items are usually found only there, but for nearly everything else mundane you can actually get better profits from other superhubs (Dodixie, Amarr, Rens), or even smaller local hubs (for example, Hek).

Its not true that better deals can be found elsewhere. Primarily for the best profit you MUST go to Jita to trade. Both supply and demand make it the number one hub to do business for maximum profits.

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#69 - 2014-02-10 13:01:36 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its not true that better deals can be found elsewhere. Primarily for the best profit you MUST go to Jita to trade. Both supply and demand make it the number one hub to do business for maximum profits.



Oh? I usually find for example better places and better prices for PLEX anywhere else than Jita. Of course I guess it's how much work you want to put into extra few million virtual money, and of course the trade volumes are bigger in Jita for the hardcore traders. But I find it hard to believe that even half of the usual Jita population are anything but creatures of habit thinking Jita is always the cheapest or best storefront.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#70 - 2014-02-10 13:02:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Dior Rellik wrote:
Just by being in the system they are adding to load.
How do you know this? Especially with the explanation just given for how the game actually works?

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Unless of course you are denying player count in system has any impact at all.
He just did.

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No matter what you say, the amount of spammers is ridiculous and people need to get in and out trade.
…and no matter how much you dislike them, one has nothing to do with the other. The reason you can't get in is not connected to there being lots of scammers, since the limit it set based on the load and they don't add any. If the scammers were kicked out, all that would happen is that the pop limit would be reduced and you'd still not get in.

Quote:
allow us to buy / sell in adjacent systems and use NPC transporters to move the orders in and out of the system.
You can already do this. Well, apart from the bit where NPCs transport stuff, since NPCs should never do something the players can do just fine on their own.

Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its not true that better deals can be found elsewhere. Primarily for the best profit you MUST go to Jita to trade. Both supply and demand make it the number one hub to do business for maximum profits.
…but you still don't have to go to Jita to trade there, so the suggestion is entirely correct. Also, remember that there are two rather different profits: one is “good deals”, which Jita is awful for since it's so close to the norm price for everything — low deviation and low margins makes the deals few and far between. The other is just piles of cash, which has more to do with the trade volume than the price. So it's most definitely true that you can find better deals elsewhere. Whether or not they translate into higher profits is a different matter.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-02-10 13:04:58 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its not true that better deals can be found elsewhere. Primarily for the best profit you MUST go to Jita to trade. Both supply and demand make it the number one hub to do business for maximum profits.



Of course that's true right now Mr obvious.

So if things are left as they are, at what point does the lag get so bad, do the gates get locked for long enough that your statement is no longer true, because people decide the other hubs are easier to access and they increase in prominence.

Personally I think that would be an interesting thing to see, and good for the ole sandbox of EVE.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2014-02-10 13:07:05 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
"This is getting worst". Aside from the butchery of the English language I doubt waiting 3 minutes on the gate spamming jump is the "worst" thing than can happen in EVE.

these "3 minutes" can cost you lots of money.....

It only takes few seconds to warp from watch-bookmark, lock and blow unprepared ship waiting for gate clearance Twisted

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-02-10 13:26:09 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Gerald Sphinx wrote:
Then consider moving to somewhere else. There are at least 3 other major trade hubs throughout New Eden, you know.

Amarr
Rens
Dodixie


Amarr - Slaver scum
Rens - Pauper scum
Dodixie - Scum scum


Amarr - Generally Brain Dead Moron scum
Rens - Pauper scum
Dodixie - Scum scum

Fixed Amarr... Don't spend time in the other 2...
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#74 - 2014-02-10 13:43:18 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Samoth Egnoled wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Jove Death wrote:
So theres no way the node can be overloaded permanently to like 4000 chars?

Being a bit thick here but what is the limit on one system?
There is no hard limit, a node will simply have a hard time keeping up with processing as the number of pilots grows and as they do more things.


So with the current size of battles that are happening in 0.0 where you have to implement Tidi to make it playable at all, and the fact that Jita is frequently being capped to save the node dying. Would you conclude that it is logical to assume that the current hardware that Eve is run on is insufficient for it's intended purpose going forward?
No.


Non sense, you guys need more hardware. I can dig my Commodore 64 up out of the basement and send it to you to hook up with your servers, but you'll need to by your own floppy disks, mine are full of high powered 8-bit games.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#75 - 2014-02-10 14:14:51 UTC
I never understood why "stuff" "had" to be sold and bought in Jita and Jita only.

Hell if the system is so locked up that people come to the Eve-O forum to ***** about it, chances are you're not alone in your adolescent outrage. Just seed a market in one of the neighboring systems offering prices slightly higher and profit from the other whelps who don't want to spend 30 seconds waiting for their auto-pilot to jump them into that suckfest of Jita IV-4

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Archon Industries
#76 - 2014-02-10 14:17:10 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hesod Adee wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots

Why 2175 ?

Obviously your answer will be something like "experience shows that if we cap at 2175 then x won't happen", but I'm curious what the x is.
x = Time Dilation will be at 100% most of the time, stay between 80-100% nearly all of the time, and only very rarely go below 80%.

Wait, why should the market PvPers be excused from TiDi pain? That ain't right.

MDD
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-02-10 14:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
Teinyhr wrote:
[quote]

I also doubt many MMO servers can match the tech specs of Tranquility as outlined in this PC Gamer article from last year:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online/

Wait what?

This article says EVE is running on 3 x 286 machines with floppy disks...
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#78 - 2014-02-10 14:20:45 UTC
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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#79 - 2014-02-10 16:30:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
funny thing about jita....you have to travel to it and away from it as a buyer


Some buyers will think outside the box in regards to this.

If you skip jita but have an item I need on a main road I take out of there I and others may just buy it and pick it up on the haul out of there. I have gotten some good deals right next door to jita as I flew to next desto/home

TBH..many times its gotten me piece of mind as I leave jita with a "cheap" load in cargo and pick up the pricey item(s) in less active systems. Basically I'd leave jita under say the golden rule 1 billion in cargo for a freighter to be less of a target in jita and go over 1 bil in a system where undock is a lower chance of gank party and gates are less camped, if camped at all.

Hint to make this work: do not go well its 2 system from jita so it now worth 50 million more. Then you force your potential buyers to go to jita.
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#80 - 2014-02-10 16:43:53 UTC
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