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Jita locked out again.... this is getting worst.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#281 - 2014-02-24 19:41:59 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
I buy from Jita 4/4 it shows up in the New Caldari station I bought it from. Poof your bucket isn't no longer getting full but still doing its job, people can get product off Jita market without going into Jita AT ALL, and everyone is happy.


The good news is - it can. But for that, you have to pay a Courier company to cart it for you. That way you also support other game-play styles (Namely the haulers) in EVE online without having NPCs put them out of a job. Bonus!


Right on.

Rule #423 of EVE: never ask CCP to do for you with automation what EVE players should reasonably be doing for themselves. If Jita is a problem, figure out a way to do business outside of Jita.

What we have here is an example of Entitlement (oh how the haters hate when i use that word). They DEMAND access to the place with the lowest prices (even if it means changing the way the game works), despite the fact that it's not the place with the lowest prices lol.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#282 - 2014-02-24 19:44:32 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
So maybe instead of just buying new buckets you figure out the best way to spread out the water with your current buckets so you don't spill any and still collect all the water you need.

Ill tell you how to get people to stop filling up your Jita bucket.

Let them buy and receive products from Jita, in New Caldari.
This is already in the game and has been for many many years.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#283 - 2014-02-24 19:48:49 UTC
CCP is at the limits of hardware bandages - for Jita and PvP. Until CCP applies economics to the problems they won't be fixed. The cost is 0 to be in Jita therefore infinite people will want to be there. Institute a cost - people will moderate their wants.

From the very beginning CCP instituted economic mechanics to avoid this Jita situation. Unfortunately they failed to follow through on incentives and penalties to discourage escalating system pile on behaviors.

You would think they would hire an economics expert to advise them on the problems.

(I had a much more detail plan outlined, but **** forum software ate it.)
Ai Shun
#284 - 2014-02-24 19:51:56 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
CCP is at the limits of hardware bandages - for Jita and PvP. Until CCP applies economics to the problems they won't be fixed. The cost is 0 to be in Jita therefore infinite people will want to be there. Institute a cost - people will moderate their wants.


I thought this whole thread was about the cost of the cap, locked gates, people losing ships, etc. and them not wanting to moderate their wants Big smile

As to an economist, look to Dr Eyjólfur Guðmundsson. I don't think he's there currently though, but he did some good work in the past.
Mario Putzo
#285 - 2014-02-24 19:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Tippia wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
So maybe instead of just buying new buckets you figure out the best way to spread out the water with your current buckets so you don't spill any and still collect all the water you need.

Ill tell you how to get people to stop filling up your Jita bucket.

Let them buy and receive products from Jita, in New Caldari.
This is already in the game and has been for many many years.


Ya no it hasn't. It is impossible for me to sit in New Caldari, buy an item from Jita, and have it show up in my inventory in New Caldari.

Unless I personally jump into Jita and get it and bring it back.
Or have someone else go into Jita and get it and bring it back.

If the issue is session changes, then adding more session changes doesn't fix the issue...hell it doesn't even remedy the issue.

It is pure laziness and poor game design. It is a simple ******* fix, and doesn't impact any aspect of the game whatsoever....aside from removing "fish in a barrel" Saturday/Sunday afternoons for Gankers.

Attack on CCP personnel is prohibited. - ISD Tyrozan
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#286 - 2014-02-24 20:02:02 UTC
New record! 70 tries needed to log into Jita.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#287 - 2014-02-24 20:02:59 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:

Ya no it hasn't. It is impossible for me to sit in New Caldari, buy an item from Jita, and have it show up in my inventory in New Caldari.

Unless I personally jump into Jita and get it and bring it back.
Or have someone else go into Jita and get it and bring it back.

If the issue is session changes, then adding more session changes doesn't fix the issue...hell it doesn't even remedy the issue.

It is pure laziness and poor game design. It is a simple ******* fix, and doesn't impact any aspect of the game whatsoever....aside from removing "fish in a barrel" Saturday/Sunday afternoons for Gankers.

"Hey Guys! We have to close Jita every single weekend for nearly a year now, so instead of working on fixing this we just want you to go somewhere else Thanks CCP Lazzycunt."


No fantasy-mmo-style magic mailboxes plz. I'd rather see an additional 0.5% Jita sales tax. Also, that derogatory language is pretty f-ing unwarranted.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Mario Putzo
#288 - 2014-02-24 20:05:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Batelle wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Ya no it hasn't. It is impossible for me to sit in New Caldari, buy an item from Jita, and have it show up in my inventory in New Caldari.

Unless I personally jump into Jita and get it and bring it back.
Or have someone else go into Jita and get it and bring it back.

If the issue is session changes, then adding more session changes doesn't fix the issue...hell it doesn't even remedy the issue.

It is pure laziness and poor game design. It is a simple ******* fix, and doesn't impact any aspect of the game whatsoever....aside from removing "fish in a barrel" Saturday/Sunday afternoons for Gankers.

"Hey Guys! We have to close Jita every single weekend for nearly a year now, so instead of working on fixing this we just want you to go somewhere else Thanks CCP Lazzycunt."


No fantasy-mmo-style magic mailboxes plz. I'd rather see an additional 0.5% Jita sales tax. Also, that derogatory language is pretty f-ing unwarranted.


Ya sales tax doesn't change anything. If it costs more to sell...it will cost more to buy. It won't change anything. Jita is popular because of its location. Any change in pricing will be matched by a change in pricing on the player side to maintain profit margins.

As for foul language. Ill use what ever adjectives/adverbs I ******* want to use mmmk.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#289 - 2014-02-24 20:06:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ya no it hasn't. It is impossible for me to sit in New Caldari, buy an item from Jita, and have it show up in my inventory in New Caldari.
It's very possible. People are doing all the time. Just because you prefer it didn't exist and keep ignoring its existence in some futile attempt to remove gameplay doesn't mean the mechanics aren't there. It just means you're being very very silly and dishonest.

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If the issue is session changes, then adding more session changes doesn't fix the issue.
That's the beauty of it: it doesn't add more session changes. At absolute worst, it keeps them the same; at best, it reduces them since several people can share a trip.

Quote:
It is pure laziness and poor game design.
The only laziness is the refusal to use the many mechanics already designed into the game. That laziness is a worthless and ignorant excuse for wanting to remove gameplay and hurt an entire industry.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#290 - 2014-02-24 20:07:45 UTC
Putz wrote:
It is impossible for me to ...

... Unless I ...
... Or ...


So what you're saying is that it's not actually impossible. It's just not the instant 'push butan, receive bacon' fantasy magic that you want it to be.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#291 - 2014-02-24 20:08:47 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Ya no it hasn't. It is impossible for me to sit in New Caldari, buy an item from Jita, and have it show up in my inventory in New Caldari.

Unless I personally jump into Jita and get it and bring it back.
Or have someone else go into Jita and get it and bring it back.

If the issue is session changes, then adding more session changes doesn't fix the issue...hell it doesn't even remedy the issue.

It is pure laziness and poor game design. It is a simple ******* fix, and doesn't impact any aspect of the game whatsoever....aside from removing "fish in a barrel" Saturday/Sunday afternoons for Gankers.

"Hey Guys! We have to close Jita every single weekend for nearly a year now, so instead of working on fixing this we just want you to go somewhere else Thanks CCP Lazzycunt."


No fantasy-mmo-style magic mailboxes plz. I'd rather see an additional 0.5% Jita sales tax. Also, that derogatory language is pretty f-ing unwarranted.


Forgive Mario for his foul mouth. He is very heavily and emotionally invested in a single system within the Eve Universe.

Jita is to Mario what the ring was to Golum.

He both loves and hates the Jita...

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Mario Putzo
#292 - 2014-02-24 20:13:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Tippia wrote:
The only laziness is the refusal to use the many mechanics already designed into the game. That laziness is a worthless and ignorant excuse for wanting to remove gameplay and hurt an entire industry.


I just bought 4 Items from Jita 4/4 from New Caldari, but they still have yet to show up in my inventory in New Caldari what am I doing wrong!!!!!

As for ruining an industry, LOOOOOOOOOL.

Contracting to New Caldari instead of Jita is not going to ruin the courier industry it results in literally 1 less jump. It takes the load of 1 system...and spreads it evenly all of the adjacent systems. I don't think you understand how trade hubs actually work in an economic sense but they are not a singular pile in system.

People Sell in Jita> people buy in the surrounding systems and Jita > people contract out from surrounding systems + Jita. = Spread server load. Apply to All current trade hubs. done.

Hell it would probably improve courier work. As a courier myself I avoid Jita like the plague Thursday -Monday because it is impossible to make any reliable profit/time invested.

Domanique Altares wrote:
Putz wrote:
It is impossible for me to ...

... Unless I ...
... Or ...


So what you're saying is that it's not actually impossible. It's just not the instant 'push butan, receive bacon' fantasy magic that you want it to be.


In the content of addressing an issue Yes it is impossible. The issue is Jita overload, adding more session changes to that load does not address the problem. At least try and keep up.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#293 - 2014-02-24 20:15:54 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:

I just bought 4 Items from Jita 4/4 from New Caldari, but they still have yet to show up in my inventory in New Caldari what am I doing wrong!!!!!


Did you remember to set up an appropriate courier contract and allow time for delivery? If so, you may have been scammed by the courier.

If not, well, get on it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#294 - 2014-02-24 20:18:08 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I just bought 4 Items from Jita 4/4 from New Caldari, but they still have yet to show up in my inventory in New Caldari what am I doing wrong!!!!!
You didn't ask them to be delivered.

Quote:
As for ruining an industry, LOOOOOOOOOL.
Since people are actually doing what you say is impossible already, there is an industry for it. You want to put those out of a job for… no sensible reason.

Quote:
It takes the load of 1 system...and spreads it evenly all of the adjacent systems. I don't think you understand how trade hubs actually work in an economic sense but they are not a singular pile in system.
Actually, it takes the load of one system and spreads it out unevenly depending on need. And the fact that trade hubs aren't a singular system rather relies on the fact that what you say is impossible is already possible.
Mario Putzo
#295 - 2014-02-24 20:20:09 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
I just bought 4 Items from Jita 4/4 from New Caldari, but they still have yet to show up in my inventory in New Caldari what am I doing wrong!!!!!
You didn't ask them to be delivered.

Quote:
As for ruining an industry, LOOOOOOOOOL.
Since people are actually doing what you say is impossible already, there is an industry for it. You want to put those out of a job for… no sensible reason.

Quote:
It takes the load of 1 system...and spreads it evenly all of the adjacent systems. I don't think you understand how trade hubs actually work in an economic sense but they are not a singular pile in system.
Actually, it takes the load of one system and spreads it out unevenly depending on need. And the fact that trade hubs aren't a singular system rather relies on the fact that what you say is impossible is already possible.


Well of course I didn't ask them to be delivered. People undocking and swtiching systems adds stress to an already loaded system. So loaded that it is the only system in the entire game that has a player cap on it. Im just trying to do my part and take pressure off the load like CCP wants.

Just go someplace else that will fix the problem!
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#296 - 2014-02-24 20:20:45 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
New record! 70 tries needed to log into Jita.


Doing it wrong.

log in perimeter, jump in noob ship, warp to jita gate, set dest to jita, autopilot, go afk, come back, be in Jita.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#297 - 2014-02-24 20:22:49 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Well of course I didn't ask them to be delivered.
Then stop asking stupid questions.

Quote:
People undocking and swtiching systems adds stress to an already loaded system.
No more than would be added if you did it without them. In fact, since you can share undocks and system switches, it can only ever reduce the load.

Quote:
Just go someplace else that will fix the problem!
Indeed it will. Good to see you're finally learning.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#298 - 2014-02-24 20:24:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Quote:
Just go someplace else that will fix the problem!
Indeed it will. Good to see you're finally learning.


Sorry but not empty quoting here.

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Salvos Rhoska
#299 - 2014-02-24 20:27:39 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Bottom line is people want to be able to play whatever game their playing. If it's an MMO and the servers can't handle the load this is never a good thing. Does it happen?... Of course! Eve isn't exclusive to this. Should CCP try to fix it... definitely!


There is nothing that need fixings.

The Jita Authorities shut down the gates because they are at the maximum capacity which they can service.

Thats what the game is telling you. Thats how it is. Nothing broken about it or that needs fixing.

If the Jita Authorities ingame are telling your character to go try another gate or station, or to wait, well, thats probably what you should do, dont you think?

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#300 - 2014-02-24 20:29:40 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Batelle wrote:
No fantasy-mmo-style magic mailboxes plz. I'd rather see an additional 0.5% Jita sales tax. Also, that derogatory language is pretty f-ing unwarranted.


Ya sales tax doesn't change anything. If it costs more to sell...it will cost more to buy. It won't change anything. Jita is popular because of its location. Any change in pricing will be matched by a change in pricing on the player side to maintain profit margins.

As for foul language. Ill use what ever adjectives/adverbs I ******* want to use mmmk.


Sales tax in Jita won't change anything? So you're lazy, crude, AND stupid. Sucks for you.

PS, I like how CCP not giving you a magic mailbox makes them the lazy ones.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.