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Is it normal to get scammed by The Mittani, Chairman of CSM ???

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Ai Shun
#161 - 2011-11-10 10:16:42 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
If you voted this guy as a Chairman, there's not much I can say. Vote for what? You think my vote counts for anything? It doesn't in real life, it doesn't in here either.


All the big votes are made up of small, little votes.
The Groundskeeper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#162 - 2011-11-10 10:22:06 UTC  |  Edited by: The Groundskeeper
Check the so-called logs. Now count the ~tildes~.

If anyone in here believes these faked logs to include the Mittani speaking despite the lack of 70 or 80 tildes dotted around the text then I have a fully-upgraded system in Outer Ring to sell you.

P.S. Not to mention the lack of mentions of his sabre, his puppy, his retired-at-30ish lifestyle or a plug for his TTH column.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#163 - 2011-11-10 10:23:39 UTC
Lulz. I'm not even a supercap pilot nor do I live in null, and even *I* know never to use anyone other than Chribba, regardless of their position anywhere in CCP or it's player elected representative roles.

Thrawn, you did something incredibly stupid and instead of sucking it up like a man you whined about a game that is "working as intended". CCP isn't there to insure that you make smart, wise choices. They provide the sandbox and we are allowed to play in it any way we choose with a small set of rules. CCP didn't elect Mittens into office, the players did. His job is to address technical game related issues that are raised by his constituents that voted for him and present them to CCP for consideration. His duties end there. Period. You were socially engineered. Unfortunately your idiocy isn't something that the Dev's can fix.

To demand that CSM members (whom's duties consist of things done outside of game, such as technical advisement) act by your criterion of moral standards while they are in-game and in-character is laughable and severely naive. Your tears, however, are delicious.

BTW - If you get another Nyx, I'll buy it from you for 40bil. I happen to know a very good broker service we can use.
Xeross155
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2011-11-10 10:28:20 UTC
Dyner wrote:
plane stupidity


Plane stupidity?
AdmiraI Thrawn
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#165 - 2011-11-10 10:32:44 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Lulz. I'm not even a supercap pilot nor do I live in null, and even *I* know never to use anyone other than Chribba, regardless of their position anywhere in CCP or it's player elected representative roles.

Thrawn, you did something incredibly stupid and instead of sucking it up like a man you whined about a game that is "working as intended". CCP isn't there to insure that you make smart, wise choices. They provide the sandbox and we are allowed to play in it any way we choose with a small set of rules. CCP didn't elect Mittens into office, the players did. His job is to address technical game related issues that are raised by his constituents that voted for him and present them to CCP for consideration. His duties end there. Period. You were socially engineered. Unfortunately your idiocy isn't something that the Dev's can fix.

To demand that CSM members (whom's duties consist of things done outside of game, such as technical advisement) act by your criterion of moral standards while they are in-game and in-character is laughable and severely naive. Your tears, however, are delicious.

BTW - If you get another Nyx, I'll buy it from you for 40bil. I happen to know a very good broker service we can use.



You still don't get it. he abused me using his position. I do not whine or cry about the isk. isk is not a problem. I fell for it cos I tohught CSM actually means something. My bad.
Bernadictus
Out Of The Depths Academy
xX SERENITY Xx
#166 - 2011-11-10 10:33:23 UTC
Thinking Mittens won't scam you out of your 20b isk, is like sticking it in a Thais prostitute, without protection, thinking you won't get some horrendous disease. You've been hazed.
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2011-11-10 10:35:09 UTC
Xeross155 wrote:
Dyner wrote:
plane stupidity


Plane stupidity?



It's "plain" isn't it...

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son of a...

stupid english language...
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#168 - 2011-11-10 10:35:43 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
DISCLAIMER: I am not commenting, nor am I going to comment, on the particular case that is being discussed here. My comments here are simply to clarify our stance on the rights and duties of CSM members; they are in no way any indication of CCPs views on the morality of these things.

Any CSM member, no matter who he or she ma be, is bound by the EULA and ToS (as any other player is) and by the NDA that they signed when they took office. Other then these rules, they are free to enjoy EVE Online in any way they see fit, no matter their chosen play style. In the end they are free to enjoy the game like any other player, as long as they do not abuse any NDA bound information to get ahead.




CCP, this guy made an abuse using his CSM Chairman position to scam me. I dunno if it breaks EULA or so. But that's what he did.

My understanding of what the GM just said is that even if what you say is true, then there is nothing wrong with that from the perspective of the rules established by CCP hf.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#169 - 2011-11-10 10:36:13 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:

You still don't get it. he abused me using his position. I do not whine or cry about the isk. isk is not a problem. I fell for it cos I tohught CSM actually means something. My bad.


Even in your faked logs I didn't mention my CSM position at all. The only thing being abused, apparently, is your sense of dignity.

At any rate, I flat-out deny the ~dishonourable~ suggestions of this knave. For shame, eve-o, for shame!

~hi~
Generals4
#170 - 2011-11-10 10:36:19 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:



You still don't get it. he abused me using his position. I do not whine or cry about the isk. isk is not a problem. I fell for it cos I tohught CSM actually means something. My bad.


GSF means more, always remember that.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Xeross155
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#171 - 2011-11-10 10:37:45 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
You still don't get it. he abused me using his position. I do not whine or cry about the isk. isk is not a problem. I fell for it cos I tohught CSM actually means something. My bad.


Why are you QQ'ing on the forums about your own stupidity, it it to entertain the shitposters?
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2011-11-10 10:37:50 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
You still don't get it. he abused me using his position. I do not whine or cry about the isk. isk is not a problem. I fell for it cos I tohught CSM actually means something. My bad.


The only thing he abused is your ignorance of what the CSM really is, or the goons for that matter. Had you done the background checks, you would've noticed immediately that he is known to scam people, that he leads the biggest group of scammers around. For someone with the kind of money to buy supercaps in the first place, you seem to know very little of what's going on around the game. Man up and take it as a lesson learnt until you make a bigger fool out of yourself, that's about the best you can do now.
AdmiraI Thrawn
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#173 - 2011-11-10 10:41:26 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:

You still don't get it. he abused me using his position. I do not whine or cry about the isk. isk is not a problem. I fell for it cos I tohught CSM actually means something. My bad.


Even in your faked logs I didn't mention my CSM position at all. The only thing being abused, apparently, is your sense of dignity.

At any rate, I flat-out deny the ~dishonourable~ suggestions of this knave. For shame, eve-o, for shame!



I guess you're not that stupid and still claim that you didn't scam me :) You know that there are logs in game, right?

Anyway, Goon reputation = scam. My bad I thought a CSM chairman is not like that. Spend it wisely cos I hope I will be the last one being scammed by scumbags like you.
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#174 - 2011-11-10 10:41:31 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
[quote=AdmiraI Thrawn] For someone with the kind of money to buy supercaps in the first place, you seem to know very little of what's going on around the game.



Mommy's CC and a large order of PLEX(s)
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#175 - 2011-11-10 10:41:41 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Lulz. I'm not even a supercap pilot nor do I live in null, and even *I* know never to use anyone other than Chribba, regardless of their position anywhere in CCP or it's player elected representative roles.

Thrawn, you did something incredibly stupid and instead of sucking it up like a man you whined about a game that is "working as intended". CCP isn't there to insure that you make smart, wise choices. They provide the sandbox and we are allowed to play in it any way we choose with a small set of rules. CCP didn't elect Mittens into office, the players did. His job is to address technical game related issues that are raised by his constituents that voted for him and present them to CCP for consideration. His duties end there. Period. You were socially engineered. Unfortunately your idiocy isn't something that the Dev's can fix.

To demand that CSM members (whom's duties consist of things done outside of game, such as technical advisement) act by your criterion of moral standards while they are in-game and in-character is laughable and severely naive. Your tears, however, are delicious.

BTW - If you get another Nyx, I'll buy it from you for 40bil. I happen to know a very good broker service we can use.



You still don't get it. he abused me using his position. I do not whine or cry about the isk. isk is not a problem. I fell for it cos I tohught CSM actually means something. My bad.

It does mean something. It means "Council of Stellar Management," and the duties of that democratically elected body include talking to CCP and providing them a player's perspective on issues when asked for feedback, and serving as a liaison between CCP and the player base to ease communication. It also includes maintaining the secrecy of a Non-Disclosure Agreement, which was mentioned by a GM who responded to you. If you are imagining some other duties of the CSM, then that is your fault and not The Mittani's fault or CCP's fault or anyone else's fault but your own. Beyond being nominally a constituent of The Mittani and the other members of the CSM, you have no special relationship with the membership of that panel and you are afforded no particular exemptions or protections against player activity in EVE Online as a consequence of their positions as members of the CSM. That you believe otherwise is, again, entirely your own delusion. No wrong has been committed here, except the specific wrong of [A Player] scamming [Another Player], if we are to even believe that is what has legitimately happened—and to be perfectly honest, that is not a foregone conclusion given how much hate mail is directed at politicians in general, people in leadership positions in EVE Online more specifically, and at Goonswarm and The Mittani in particular. It is entirely possible that you made up this entire episode; but, even if you did not, then the picture you paint is one of things going exactly as they are intended to go: players in EVE Online played the game, and that is all. The End.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Xeross155
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#176 - 2011-11-10 10:43:04 UTC
Can't figure out whether this guy's spelling is consistent with the awful grammar often used by trolls or that it's even below troll levels of grammar
Tribal Solidarity
Garoun Investment Bank
#177 - 2011-11-10 10:44:39 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:

You still don't get it. he abused me using his position. I do not whine or cry about the isk. isk is not a problem. I fell for it cos I tohught CSM actually means something. My bad.


Even in your faked logs I didn't mention my CSM position at all. The only thing being abused, apparently, is your sense of dignity.

At any rate, I flat-out deny the ~dishonourable~ suggestions of this knave. For shame, eve-o, for shame!



I guess you're not that stupid and still claim that you didn't scam me :) You know that there are logs in game, right?

Anyway, Goon reputation = scam. My bad I thought a CSM chairman is not like that. Spend it wisely cos I hope I will be the last one being scammed by scumbags like you.


I lol'd so hard @ this threat.

Gotta <3 Goons and the pubbies they f**k with. Twisted
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#178 - 2011-11-10 10:45:17 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:

Anyway, Goon reputation = scam. My bad I thought a CSM chairman is not like that. Spend it wisely cos I hope I will be the last one being scammed by scumbags like you.


God, I hope not. We have hundreds of newbies to feed!

~hi~
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#179 - 2011-11-10 10:45:38 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:

You still don't get it. he abused me using his position. I do not whine or cry about the isk. isk is not a problem. I fell for it cos I tohught CSM actually means something. My bad.


Even in your faked logs I didn't mention my CSM position at all. The only thing being abused, apparently, is your sense of dignity.

At any rate, I flat-out deny the ~dishonourable~ suggestions of this knave. For shame, eve-o, for shame!



I guess you're not that stupid and still claim that you didn't scam me :) You know that there are logs in game, right?

Anyway, Goon reputation = scam. My bad I thought a CSM chairman is not like that. Spend it wisely cos I hope I will be the last one being scammed by scumbags like you.

Once more, assuming for the sake of argument that your allegations are accurate, then why did you believe that The Mittani was beholden to some sort of space bushido code of honour just because of his CSM title? In the very strictest interpretation of his position, he is beholden to you (as a member of the public) by virtue of your ability to remove him from office in the next election by voting in favor of some other candidate; but, in reality, you and I both know that The Mittani (or his chosen representative) will win any future election he desires due to the cohesion and coordination of a dedicated voting bloc. Given that to be true (which I assure you it is), even the presumption that he for some reason needs to care about you because you might cost him his unpaid, part-time, volunteer job in Iceland is rendered moot. Exactly why was it that you thought he would afford you some special consideration?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
AdmiraI Thrawn
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#180 - 2011-11-10 10:46:45 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Lulz. I'm not even a supercap pilot nor do I live in null, and even *I* know never to use anyone other than Chribba, regardless of their position anywhere in CCP or it's player elected representative roles.

Thrawn, you did something incredibly stupid and instead of sucking it up like a man you whined about a game that is "working as intended". CCP isn't there to insure that you make smart, wise choices. They provide the sandbox and we are allowed to play in it any way we choose with a small set of rules. CCP didn't elect Mittens into office, the players did. His job is to address technical game related issues that are raised by his constituents that voted for him and present them to CCP for consideration. His duties end there. Period. You were socially engineered. Unfortunately your idiocy isn't something that the Dev's can fix.

To demand that CSM members (whom's duties consist of things done outside of game, such as technical advisement) act by your criterion of moral standards while they are in-game and in-character is laughable and severely naive. Your tears, however, are delicious.

BTW - If you get another Nyx, I'll buy it from you for 40bil. I happen to know a very good broker service we can use.



You still don't get it. he abused me using his position. I do not whine or cry about the isk. isk is not a problem. I fell for it cos I tohught CSM actually means something. My bad.

It does mean something. It means "Council of Stellar Management," and the duties of that democratically elected body include talking to CCP and providing them a player's perspective on issues when asked for feedback, and serving as a liaison between CCP and the player base to ease communication. It also includes maintaining the secrecy of a Non-Disclosure Agreement, which was mentioned by a GM who responded to you. If you are imagining some other duties of the CSM, then that is your fault and not The Mittani's fault or CCP's fault or anyone else's fault but your own. Beyond being nominally a constituent of The Mittani and the other members of the CSM, you have no special relationship with the membership of that panel and you are afforded no particular exemptions or protections against player activity in EVE Online as a consequence of their positions as members of the CSM. That you believe otherwise is, again, entirely your own delusion. No wrong has been committed here, except the specific wrong of [A Player] scamming [Another Player], if we are to even believe that is what has legitimately happened—and to be perfectly honest, that is not a foregone conclusion given how much hate mail is directed at politicians in general, people in leadership positions in EVE Online more specifically, and at Goonswarm and The Mittani in particular. It is entirely possible that you made up this entire episode; but, even if you did not, then the picture you paint is one of things going exactly as they are intended to go: players in EVE Online played the game, and that is all. The End.




So I was right. CSM means NOTHING