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Tripwire - Sig Mapping Tool

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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#61 - 2014-02-26 14:10:32 UTC
Edward Harris wrote:
Let's try to keep this discussion about the tool itself and not about whether or not it should be stickied.

Thank you.

Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-02-26 23:00:23 UTC
I am subscribed to the "Help" section of Tripwire forums. If there is an emergency post in there and I will be notified by cell - I have full control over Tripwire and the servers via cell phone.

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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-02-26 23:13:55 UTC
Another feature request: https://tripwire.cloud-things.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4&p=27#p27

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Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2014-02-26 23:59:03 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:



A fantastic way to get emergency notification about all the bearing that you have missed by an hour.
Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-02-27 00:23:01 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Mournful Conciousness wrote:



A fantastic way to get emergency notification about all the bearing that you have missed by an hour.


Actually it would be a notification about the bearing missed at maximum an hour - likely if said bearing took more then 30 minutes they would just be finishing the bearing.

Why would you bat an eye at intel provided to you from CCP themselves?

Creator of Tripwire mapping tool - EVE-O thread

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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-02-27 00:28:19 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Mournful Conciousness wrote:



A fantastic way to get emergency notification about all the bearing that you have missed by an hour.


Smile I work at home, and some of the guys have shift work so our chain tends to be deep and up to date all day. At the moment, I have to rely on one of the other guys monitoring the chain and issuing a CTA on skype at which point I stop programming, log on to eve and blap the ratters.

But I feel we miss too many of them, and in so doing deny them the opportunity of buying nice new ships.

From what I have seen, there are rarely NPC spikes lasting only one hour and yes, we may miss those (it depends on when the update cycle lands), but I think we'd catch the vast majority of w-bears.

Of course if your chain is deep too, we might find that we all arrive at the same time and enjoy some pvp FFA hilarity.

It can only be good!

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Trick Ster3
Doomheim
#67 - 2014-02-27 16:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Trick Ster3
Allna wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
Glue applied to this thread to make it sticky.

Thank you for this interesting tool!



I am not trying to discourage the creator of this tool from continuing on his monumental task, nor am I trying to detract anything from this great app. However, this is not the first tool of this kind. In fact there have been other mapping tools out there for years, to sticky a thread promoting one tool over others seems a bit strange.



I agree here.. We use one where the source was released to the community (which is why we use it, so we can host it ourselves), and find its feature set to be equal to this one, why is this one getting special treatment over the others? The one we use (or any of the other ones) don't seem to have stickies (but do have posts in this forum board, such as eve w-space has its own thread).

Perhaps an index thread of all mapper tools can be stickied?


This. Why is this not open source if your intention is only to show it off? You can still offer a server for lazies or non-factors and still show off your work to employers as part of your portfolio. In fact if anyone decided to help you, you would become a project lead... even better than a code monkey, right?

Also at the guy that said this intel is irrelevant. Maybe it is if your like a c2 or c3 wh corp. PvP C5 and C6 corps this infomation would be extremely valuable. You roll into someone, you instantly know their chain and sigs and other info about where they are and in what.... korean gank ninja's. Critical thinking is lost on this generation.

Great work none the less.

Regards,
Allna
Aim High
SWAG Co
#68 - 2014-02-27 16:20:33 UTC
Trick Ster3 wrote:
[quote=Allna][quote=Gnaw LF]
This. Why is this not open source if your intention is only to show it off? You can still offer a server for lazies or non-factors and still show off your work to employers as part of your portfolio. In fact if anyone decided to help you, you would become a project lead... even better than a code monkey, right?

Also at the guy that said this intel is irrelevant. Maybe it is if your like a c2 or c3 wh corp. PvP C5 and C6 corps this infomation would be extremely valuable. You roll into someone, you instantly know their chain and sigs and other info about where they are and in what.... korean gank ninja's. Critical thinking is lost on this generation.

Great work none the less.

Regards,


I don't see a problem with him pimping it, or hosting it as a service (which as I understand is exactly what he's doing, albeit I think its a closed Beta or something?).

Folks like RMS in the OSS world kind of bug me -- open source should not be a requirement. If he wants to keep his code closed, that's up to him (I do the same, I wrote a custom portal for my alliance, and did not open the code, mainly because its messy as hell and poorly coded).

All I was saying in my post was that we should have a sticky with an index of ALL mapper tools, because there's a lot of good ones out there that are open source for those who choose not to use a hosted service (my reasons are simple, I'm a hosting admin by trade, and I like doing it as a hobby as well, and using some pre-canned service is boring ;)).

In any case, the OP did ask us to keep this thread about the tool, so I apologize, but felt the need to respond since you replied to my reply. :D
Sara Mariana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2014-02-27 18:01:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sara Mariana
I think you missed his reasoning for making it open source :) Also I would consider security on topic and relevant :)

Also, never go full RMS!
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#70 - 2014-02-27 19:27:11 UTC
Any Siggy to Tripwire converts wanna chime in? I'm curious if its worth the switch and if so why.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-02-27 21:28:23 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Any Siggy to Tripwire converts wanna chime in? I'm curious if its worth the switch and if so why.

I could never get siggy to work properly. Tripwire just worked out of the box.

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Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#72 - 2014-02-27 23:32:54 UTC
I have not released source code because Tripwire is still in beta form. In the past month alone I have changed over 2,000 lines of core code. I am attempting to better objectify the code to make future modifications easier and less dependent on other code. I do not know when all of the code will be made available - however I will be releasing some of the more complex code used for things like javascript jump calculations.

One thing about 3rd party tools I don't understand ...
Why do ppl want to run private or offline tools to assist in playing a MMO single shard game where shared intel and teamwork prevail? The only answer I ever hear is "security"...

My response:
A single instance/server is easier to fortify and protect - I would put my tool and servers against any privately run any day. As for not trusting me personally... give me a chance - I will not disappoint. Also you realize that the same people who code EVE also play EVE ... just think about that one.


In short - I will slowly release source code; and give my tool and trusting me a chance and like many others you will not be disappointed. Lets stay on topic or take these debates to other threads or my Tripwire forums. Best part of Tripwire is my 3 years of constant development and I love feedback and use it - my ear is always available and attached to an open mind.

Creator of Tripwire mapping tool - EVE-O thread

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Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#73 - 2014-02-28 00:45:02 UTC
Trick Ster3 wrote:
Also at the guy that said this intel is irrelevant. Maybe it is if your like a c2 or c3 wh corp. PvP C5 and C6 corps this infomation would be extremely valuable. You roll into someone, you instantly know their chain and sigs and other info about where they are and in what.... korean gank ninja's. Critical thinking is lost on this generation.


First off, not irrelevant, but not as big of a deal as people make it out to be.

First off, IF there was a real reason for the fear people have of a shared service, the only person really in the position to be able to use that data is the developer and his corp/alliance, as I'm sure he has written it so non-admins certainly can't see other corps data.

Even then the intel would only be useful if you happen to roll into the corp who's data you hacked into. And even then it only saves a little time as it doesn't take that long to scan down a system these days.

And actually I'd say it would be a greater threat to the lower class WH's. They more often have a k-space exit. managing to hack that data would give you a known way in.

Critical thinking isn't lost, you just didn't really think it through very well.
Allna
Aim High
SWAG Co
#74 - 2014-02-28 02:47:36 UTC
Daimian Mercer wrote:

One thing about 3rd party tools I don't understand ...
Why do ppl want to run private or offline tools to assist in playing a MMO single shard game where shared intel and teamwork prevail? The only answer I ever hear is "security"...


You asked, so I gotta answer. :) My reason is most definitely not security. Its for the fun of it. I've been a linux nerd since 1994, I do a hosting business as a side business, I do hosting in my day job, I love it all and find it exciting and thrilling.

I love making things 'work' for my guys. I love when they say "man I wish the mapper did XYZ", and instead of saying "let me submit a feature request to the author, I'll let you know when its been done", I can say "hangon", and some minutes later the feature they wanted is there, and being submitted upstream to the core developer for inclusion in the main tree.

That said, again, I have nothing against you or your tool in any way, just answering your question. :) I actually think yours looks pretty slick, looking forward to poking at it some day!
Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-02-28 02:56:22 UTC
Allna wrote:
Daimian Mercer wrote:

One thing about 3rd party tools I don't understand ...
Why do ppl want to run private or offline tools to assist in playing a MMO single shard game where shared intel and teamwork prevail? The only answer I ever hear is "security"...


You asked, so I gotta answer. :) My reason is most definitely not security. Its for the fun of it. I've been a linux nerd since 1994, I do a hosting business as a side business, I do hosting in my day job, I love it all and find it exciting and thrilling.

I love making things 'work' for my guys. I love when they say "man I wish the mapper did XYZ", and instead of saying "let me submit a feature request to the author, I'll let you know when its been done", I can say "hangon", and some minutes later the feature they wanted is there, and being submitted upstream to the core developer for inclusion in the main tree.

That said, again, I have nothing against you or your tool in any way, just answering your question. :) I actually think yours looks pretty slick, looking forward to poking at it some day!


I got to answer yours now :) ...

You should help me! I would love to expand this project and I can't do everything myself. If your interested convo me or jump on the Tripwire forums.

Creator of Tripwire mapping tool - EVE-O thread

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Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#76 - 2014-02-28 04:48:28 UTC
Patch day tomorrow!!
List of changes:

  • Modified footer to sit lower and include page generation time.
  • Local pirates now appears like a link (draws attention for hover-over)
  • Wormhole effect & local pirates are now dead links (clicking means nothing)
  • Login/User menu now closes itself when clicking away (auto-close)
  • Registration window now closes on successful registration
  • New API countdown clock added in top-bar
  • Switched to local jQuery libraries
  • Javascript loading optimizations (10% faster page loads)
  • Opening system now defaults to in-game system when IGB used
  • Flares are now removed after 24 hours
  • Top-bar placement issues fixed (Chrome 33 issue) - better HTML now
  • Chain map icon alignment issues fixed (slightly wider now)
  • Signature list column width adjustments
  • Options re-coded - cookie based (major speed increase; future framework)
  • System security now overrides wormhole type with chain map
  • Added helpful mouse-overs around the page
  • Lowered overall packet payload (less bandwidth usage)
  • Chain map now tracks system class (C5a, C5b)
  • Signature type and class naming is now customizable (via Options)
  • Chain Home system can now be named (via Options)
  • Multiple API login fixes
  • Multiple layout fixes
  • Minor tweaks to Notes section

Creator of Tripwire mapping tool - EVE-O thread

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Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-02-28 22:07:10 UTC
Patch above will be pushed within the hour.

Note that your Tripwire might stop syncing until the page is refresh after patch - I will post in here when patch is live.

Also patch will break current wormhole type numbering (K162 2). To fix you just need to edit and save the wormholes. This is because of major DB changes that couldn't be avoided.

I will be available for the next 12 hours to address any issues you may have - so please contact me if you have any at all.

Creator of Tripwire mapping tool - EVE-O thread

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Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-02-28 22:59:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Daimian Mercer
Patch is now live

Your settings will have reset

Creator of Tripwire mapping tool - EVE-O thread

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Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#79 - 2014-03-02 14:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Daimian Mercer
Hot fix (server side - no need to refresh)

Pasting sigs to update them now works correctly. Was only updating 1 per paste before.

Thanks to Steven Hackett for tracking this bug down so diligently and reporting it!

Creator of Tripwire mapping tool - EVE-O thread

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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-03-02 16:22:49 UTC
Thanks for your hard (and unrewarded) work Damien. Our guys appreciate it. As far as I am concerned, the code is your property. Don't be pushed into open sourcing it unless you want to.

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