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A simple answer in the defence of nationalism
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Saul Dhampir
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#21 - 2011-11-10 19:40:07 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
To live for no nation is to live for no cause


What a crock of S%&*£.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#22 - 2011-11-10 20:11:54 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Whats wrong with flying for yourself?


For one, it's selfish and futile.


Selfish AND futile. Let me ask you a question. How can you love anybody else if you do not love yourself. How can you achieve anything if you cannot count on yourself first and foremost?

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What you Star Fraction rebels fail to understand is that you are just nationalists of another flavor. The moment you organized into a group and expressed a common cause, you became a nation. Your end goal may be a world without such constructs, but to attain it you have adopted the very tools you vilify.


Its an extremely convenient Canard that one. That anarchists are not allowed to cooperate for mutual benefit. How the creatures of empire must wish it was true. But the truth is otherwise, anarchists and free traders manage to cooperate and organize as equals without one ruling over others and gain independence and self-respect through these means. Perhaps one day you will witness a council of Free Captains and know how powerful a group of individuals can be when all are equal and pay each other the respect of sovereign individuals rather than continue the twisted stuff of master and servant under the stars.

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To live for no nation is to live for no cause, and without a cause a man accomplishes nothing.


No gods no masters, no nations and no chains. We are all the children of humanity. Some have gotten sick on the warped dreams of hierarchy but in time they will recover. My cause is to teach you how to embrace freedom and unchain yourself. Since you and a billion others like you are slow to rise from your knees and see the future that beckons to us all.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#23 - 2011-11-10 21:49:23 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

Selfish AND futile. Let me ask you a question. How can you love anybody else if you do not love yourself. How can you achieve anything if you cannot count on yourself first and foremost?


I am of no consequence. I love myself as I love any man who serves the cause of my nation. I would gladly die for that cause, which is the only true measure of love, in the end. Would you?

If so, then you are bound by the chains of an idea just as much as I.

If not, then you are a selfish child who will leave no mark on this world.

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Its an extremely convenient Canard that one. That anarchists are not allowed to cooperate for mutual benefit. How the creatures of empire must wish it was true. But the truth is otherwise, anarchists and free traders manage to cooperate and organize as equals without one ruling over others and gain independence and self-respect through these means. Perhaps one day you will witness a council of Free Captains and know how powerful a group of individuals can be when all are equal and pay each other the respect of sovereign individuals rather than continue the twisted stuff of master and servant under the stars.


Perhaps one day, but I doubt it. I am enough of a student of humanity to understand that what you envision is an impossibility. We are competitive creatures by nature, and some chains do more than just bind us. They DEFINE us.

You suggest that those chains need not exist at all, but you are naive, Jade. Without a cause, without a nation, without the chains that allow us all to pull together, humanity will not be moved.

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No gods no masters, no nations and no chains. We are all the children of humanity. Some have gotten sick on the warped dreams of hierarchy but in time they will recover. My cause is to teach you how to embrace freedom and unchain yourself. Since you and a billion others like you are slow to rise from your knees and see the future that beckons to us all.


You are a natural leader, Jade. That is plain to see. If only you had more faith in yourself, you would not be so afraid to be the leader, the master, that you so obviously already are. The chains of so many are firmly in your grasp, and yet you refuse to admit it. Until you do, those chains will pull you every which way, and you will still be on your knees yourself.
Van Cleef
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#24 - 2011-11-18 21:12:34 UTC
Greed is a cause, perhaps disguised as a motivation.

I do not believe that just because you are born of a certain nation, that you can only serve that nation. CAIN supports the Caldari way of life, and we employ people of many different races who share our vision.

Intaki are born in Gallente space, but they are not Gallente, they are Intaki.

Perhaps the lowley worker on a distant planet might not know the cultures of the many different worlds in New Eden to choose who they would want to be, but one managed to take over the greatest State in New Eden so I do not discount anything.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#25 - 2011-11-18 23:12:44 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
I am Caldari, though settled in Amarrian sovereignty.

I work for myself.

I believe the Gallentean living down the hall is out to steal my work, that foul lady.


Does she have nice legs?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
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