EVE General Discussion

It it doesn't exist inside EVE, it is irrelevant. I mean, you might as well just point to Minecraft and say “hey, we already have WiS” at that point.

So you agree then since you can't actually refute any of what I say.

…and you already have them, no matter how much you wish you didn't. Just take the blinders off and stop assuming abilities that have never been demonstrated.

This is incorrect. The lighting doesn't work; it has unfinished physics; it has unfinished support code; it has unfinished models and animations (which means that the tech that is supposed to take care of that doesn't work). It also still suffers from very poor performance, awful controls, bad UI, And this is all we have to show any kind of capability of the engine. The fact that all we have is this limited tech dome is in and of itself evidence. Possibilities are irrelevant because they are not real — “possible” proves nothing. Arguing that it is capable of more than what is shown because it is possible that it could conceivably be more capable is nonsensical and outright dishonest.

So, again, there is no indication that it can perform any of the things listed. The evidence for this is the lack of indication that it can perform any of the things listed. Static screen shots showing a minute number of NPCs does not qualify.

Like you said, Legion is on UE3, Valkyrie is on UE4. Those are all future efforts. Again, you already have the sources. You keep referring to them yourself. You just have a uncanny knack for ignoring what's in them and choosing to convert potential to reality in your head without any kind of supporting argumentation or thought to realistic outlooks.

Oh, and using Carbon as shorthand for something it doesn't actually mean and then making claims about what Carbon can or cannot do means you're just making outright incorrect statements. If you don't want your claims to be dismissed as ignorant, be precise.

Please show me something WoD that had even 10 characters interacting in a single environment. Never been shown after how many years? The carbon engine for a character based MMO has failed to deliver even a simple tech demo. This is why WiS is dead, never to return.

So I think the sad part is even social or RP WiS without any serious game play elements would bring new players to Eve, be enjoyed by a sizable element of existing players and improve Eve's life span. I know so many WoW players that mostly just log in to chat and hang out in a virtual environment for fun, for many of them game play isn't what brings them to the game, it is the socialization and escape. If Eve offered space themed places for that socialization to happen you'd get paying customers just for that. Some of those might then find the "real" Eve has merits as well.

What makes it sad is I am sure CCP knows this (even though that fact pisses off the hard core shoot strangers in the face types) but CCP bet on a lame horse. If WiS was built on a proven character engine we'd be opening that door and wandering around stations by now.

But know the effort to start again from scratch with a new engine is too great to ever get serious consideration.

CCP bet on DC current with Edison (nVidia/carbon) and everyone else in the MMO world wisely chose AC and Tesla (insert your favorite game engine and integrated graphics from Intel and AMD here) In the end CCP finally recognized that they could wander around the country electrocuting as many dogs and elephants they want with AC using WoD to lie to us about their plans but in the end the laws of physics remain. So here we are, forever locked behind that door.

So this goes unasked, in what seems to be a recurring theme of WiS threads which has posters claim Incarna is "nearly done" or "needs little work" or similar: Who are you trying to convince?

I imagine the problem, is you realise CCP would never commit a large amount of time and money into the project, so you argue for it by ignoring that problem, such that you can pretend WiS has a future.

So who is it for? CCP? They know they're no-where on it, that's why they've abandoned every iteration of the technology and laid off all the developers.
Yourselves? Why not just let it go?
You're going to achieve nothing other than playing semantics in a GD thread where you will be ignored by CCP.

The problem with every pro-WiS supporter I have seen, is that you're not making an intelligent argument for what you want. You want WiS? Cool, you go Glen coco. Provide CCP with an idea that is practical, actionable, and is logical unto itself. With that, you might get some traction to see future ideas implemented.
What will get you no-where, ever, is what you are doing - pretending that the insurmountable issues that caused the development to be cancelled in the first place don't exist.

I know, I know, "b b b b bb but it was fine! it was the evil cartels that took it away from us!"

No, move on.

Tippia posts in avatar-related threads?

I've often wondered what your opinions would be, tbh.

But too scared to ask as I already had my heart broken enough times.

Couldn't agree more.

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Hmm, kinda agree.

I still adore Carbon - spectacular for the character creator. But not the best for environmental stuff.


@ Anonymous Forumposter - Dude you're gonna get eaten alive.

It's interesting that even though there was a drop in active players with incursions, it's sill a pretty popular way of playing the game.

Those of you who keep claiming Summer of Rage had nothing to do with CQ/Incarna clearly didn't have your graphics card melt within a few days of release. Even with a rebuilt PC mine still doesn't handle CQ very well. This is the best summary I've seen, please stop trying to rewrite history to fit in with your deliberately myopic mindset. Everyone who was annoyed had a different perspective at the time (removing ship spinning was the tipping point for me). Sorry you were drowned out at the time WiSers, but now might be a good time to get over it.

PCU stats only show part of the picture. Plenty of us threatened to unsub but held off to see what would happen. A lot of people I knew who unsubbed didn't come to the forums to complain and haven't returned. Those who did let subs lapse did it on alts, but continued logging in their mains. Unless CCP release sub/unsub stats at some point we'll only ever see part of the picture.

The evidence that things went spectacularly wrong is the emergency CSM meeting, the company CEO coming out and apologising to the playerbase then dramatically shifting development direction and the lack of further Incarna iteration. It really doesn't get any clearer than that. I doubt he's going to come out and apologise to the WiSers 3 years later because they're still whining and ranting in GD. If you want a new project to kick off to restart avatar development throwing a lengthy tantrum really isn't the way to go about it. If anything it's offputting if these are the type of players it'll attract.

Quoted and bolded for emphasis.

Some people here just can't get past the 1st stage of grief/loss no matter how many years pass, or how many times CCP says they are no longer working on something and have no plans to revisit it.

So you you agree with me fully, then, since you are utterly incapable of refuting, denying, or even arguing against anything of what I said, and since you're also utterly incapable of proving, supporting, or even arguing for against anything you've said. All you have is evasion tactics, fallacies, fantastical dreams and wilful ignorance. Got it.

Do you even know what my position is any more? I mean, since you support it so strongly, it would be a bit embarrassing if you had forgotten what it is you support…