EVE General Discussion

I particularly enjoyed your complete lack of evidence backing your claim.

Anyone got a couple of spare fuses, I think my irony chip just blew out, and took introspection and humility with it

Modernizing the client and improving the new player experience are as important as new content. Getting and retaining new players is critical to EVE's continued success and capacity to compete in the upcoming Future Sci-Fi game scene.

CCP ruined it themselves. They severely over-estimated what people were willing to pay for pixels (e.g. the equivalent of $80 for a monocle) ... and were terrible at the PR. Not to mention, the first iteration of the avatar mode ruined people's PCs.

And then CCP_Zulu's pretty condescending blog post about $1000 pants... and other things.

Really, CCP would have had a better go at it if they had extra skins ready to just flood the NEX with -- e.g. "incarnarage tuesday ... DT wed ... loads of new (cheap!) NEX crap with a devblog to the effect of "OK, we meant it as a huge joke, didn't work out as we hoped ... here's the rest of it"

It died with WOD. They couldnt make wod work with new software and new hardware, it stands to reason they cant get it to work well enuff on 10 year old hardware and software.

I was a new player once and I stuck around regardless of the fact that there weren't any tool tips.

Good! However, Most rational thinkers will realize not everyone shares the same experiences and perspectives.

Simply because you did, isn't in any way evidence that anyone other than yourself will stick around. A sample group of 1 is a terrible study and is incapable of garnishing any significant data in terms of representing the behavior of a majority.

Look around, how many new players are here today as the result of tool tips?

there's multiple threads asking to switch them off, plus your argument is based on a false premise as clearly lots of people have stuck it out since eve was launched so the sample size is clearly not one.

Go watch the fanfest video about the new player experience. The statistics as to the number of players that stick around after trying EVE is staggeringly low. Your argument was that "you" stuck around. You presented an argument that was based on a sample size of one. I countered your argument. The premise isn't that no one is sticking around, it's that not enough people are sticking around. One of the big reasons they don't stick around is they often don't know what's going on. The tooltips aren't being implemented blindly, they're a targeted solution to "SPECIFIC" problems.

As for the the people asking for them to be switched off. This is what's referred to as a vocal minority. The percentage of players that actually even look at the forums is staggering low (CCP has officially stated this.). The motivation for people to post about the tooltips is far less for people that are neutral or that like them than it is for those that don't like them leaving those that dislike them very specifically verbose and generally verbally unopposed. Not because there aren't the same or more people on the other side of the viewpoint, But because the majority doesn't have a need to discuss the topic because they're OK with it.

If you take the time to actually analyze the problem, The problem isn't the tooltips themselves, It's the lack of control of when/how they show up. Most rational thinkers realize this simple fact.

(FTFY)

The current state of the engine currently running any existing Ambulation/Incarna/WiS/FiS/Avatar based gameplay is always subject to change and doesn't constitute a solid platform for argument. By your logic, We're all still using the smoke signals for communication. This is a very bad methodology for arguing and doesn't stand up to scrutiny.



Derecognizing something merely means you don't apply it's value to your companies value. This is typically done because you don't see it generating revenue. If at any point that tech and or assets becomes a potential source of revenue again, It gets put back on the books. To assume just because it was derecognized means it won't EVER get used again in any way is incredibly short sighted. Anything beyond that, and what you're doing, is called speculating. Unless you're privy to some facts the rest of us aren't privy to which I for one don't believe you are.



This is not the viewpoint of the majority. It is one of many. Additionally, I find it a bit surprising that as long as you've been around the EVE Community you haven't picked up on CCP's methodology of deploy, gather feedback, iterate, repeat. If you go look at what CCP is doing right now in regards to tooltips, you'll see this happening. You should stop acting like it was merely a one time deal they deployed then neglected. A failure to recognize this is also very short sighted.



Unless CCP steps in and comments on this, none of you, nor myself are capable of arguing this point as we only a very few limited facts to speculate upon. None of which presented so far can support an argument on either side sufficiently.



-facepalm- The possible reasons for "scuttling" projects are so incredibly numerous, that to concede this as being the only reason the project could have possibly been scuttled is plainly and simply being ignorant of that fact.

We very specifically know the reason that the existing WiS content wasn't developed further was due to an outcry from the playerbase around internet spaceship neglect. On the flipside, There was a lack of specific support for CCP to push on with the tech due to an underwhelming experience based on the initial deployment. You top that off with the leaked document about Greed is Good, You have your perfect storm of reasons to not continue developing at that time. It was a situation decision. Not a decision based on technical limitation. Furthermore, CCP's behavior as a company over the last few months very specifically shows a pattern of restructuring and refocusing fiscal leverage into higher revenue potential projects. This lends credence to a hypothesis that the CCP wasn't prepared to meet the fiscal needs of getting WoD from where it was to a deliverable product right now. The fact that CCP isn't considering selling off the IP or licensing it out means THEY still value it, even if it's not on the books as valuable. If it were truly worthless, they would try to get someone else to pay for it to recoup some of their investment in the development of it.

I furthermore add the speculation that WoD may just not have been very fun, We do know they had effectively started over on the gameplay more than once. Their statement in regards to canceling the project was to the effect of "We didn't feel we'd be able to deliver the experience we envisioned." CCP has proven they're good at making Future Space Sci-Fi content. It's possible they weren't very good at doing vampires. Or that they weren't very good at making permanent death fun. It's also possible their market research demonstrated a decline in interest for vampire based content. These are all examples that by no means encompass the diversity of reasons that could/would be taken into consideration when evaluating the potential for a project. Basing your argument around "this one reason is why" when you don't have any facts that are capable of ruling the multitude of other possibilities out demonstrates an inability to effectively evaluate the situation leaving you with very little credibility in my eyes.