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CCP asked, "why don't we have more forum activity?" Here's why.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#121 - 2014-02-08 01:57:53 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:



Ed: I might have forgotten to mention that ISD are pretty much the reason Eve is dying. Yup. X

Say... can ISDs be part of CSM? That's kill EVE once and for all, right? Twisted

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#122 - 2014-02-08 02:33:32 UTC
The forums are just like the game itself, you have to have thicker skin if you want to participate.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2014-02-08 03:12:53 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
The forums are just like the game itself, you have to have thicker skin if you want to participate.



CURRENT CORPORATION
School of Applied Knowledge [SAK] from 2010.06.14 02:03 to this day

Or completely free of all accountability. Time to crack down on the NPC alts for the health of the forums.

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#124 - 2014-02-08 03:18:48 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
The forums are just like the game itself, you have to have thicker skin if you want to participate.



CURRENT CORPORATION
School of Applied Knowledge [SAK] from 2010.06.14 02:03 to this day

Or completely free of all accountability. Time to crack down on the NPC alts for the health of the forums.


I participate on my main too, honest.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2014-02-08 03:39:54 UTC
How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#126 - 2014-02-08 04:13:58 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly.

Like a mini CAOD in the thread?

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2014-02-08 04:27:22 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly.

Like a mini CAOD in the thread?


Yep when you make your thread there's a checkbox that says something along the lines of "npc corp members can post in thread."

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The Jagji
Brotherhood Of The Risen Phoenix
#128 - 2014-02-08 07:58:57 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly.

Like a mini CAOD in the thread?


Yep when you make your thread there's a checkbox that says something along the lines of "npc corp members can post in thread."


Sorry, but not all NPC corp members are Alts. Some are people (like me) who are just playing the game, and not worries about corps to much. Then there are people who are in NPC corps due to switching to another corp. Along with a whole other bucket load of stuff, suck as making the forums 'tired' witch is a BAD idea.
ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#129 - 2014-02-08 08:40:41 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Andski wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I think part of the problem is this post:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3887799#post3887799

The head guy recruiting for ISD has bias in his recruitment process. EVE allows for a variety of gameplay yet prevents a group of people from taking part in forum moderation. That biases the moderation and is hampering the forum use. That bias doesn't make sense either because there are most certainly rules preventing people from going nuts with the minute power awarded to moderators.

I think if that bias were removed and the "bad guys" of EVE were given a voice in moderation it'd be a better forum.

However that doesn't mean EVE-O has to become a horrible abomination like kugu.


While his post was probably worded poorly, I don't imagine that ISD have any particular bias against people who engage in scamming. But that doesn't mean that beancounter jaynara or w/e has any business near the forum mod buttons.


I don't mean that guy should be on the team just that they shouldn't discriminate against people who decide to do morally ambiguous professions like scamming. If it was a bad post it'd be nice if the ISD would let us know they don't discriminate based on that.

I'm going to take this as a tentative "we don't do that" but, it would still be nice for the head recruiting guy to let us know.

ISD LackofFaith wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what the rules for recruitment are, but if ISD Eshtir thinks someone is not qualified, that's a pretty good indication of crossing a line. Still, the line is definitely not "you must have a completely spotless record and always been a model citizen of Eve". I should know. Pirate At any rate, ISDs do not come under the same super-tight restrictions on gameplay with their main characters that CCP employees do.


Hi,

im not the "head recruiting guy" as you claim it. I am just in charge of making the team run and do its job.

Recruiting new members into ISD is a very time consuming process, but i will try and shed some light into the process for you. We all love clarity, dont we?


  • Applicant fills out webform
  • Application is read by the team leads (VA and captains)
  • The team leads discuss pro and cons of the application and the applicant based on the application and forum participation
  • Application gets either denied or approved (via e-mail)
  • If application is approved, we invite the applicant to an interview on IRC
  • After the interview is finished, the team leads discuss the interview
  • If the outcome of the interview is positive, we request a background check for you. This is done by the GM team.
  • If the BGC is positive you will receive an invite to join the team and your training will begin once CCP receives the legal documents you have to sign.


The legal documents you have to sign are a NDA and a Terms of Playing form. There wont be details on what these documents state, sorry.

Also, being in ISD is not as easy as most people think. You have to follow a very strict rule set. The rule set that is common for all ISD departments is the ISD Bible. It states what ISD means, what purpose it has and the strict rules we have to follow and what happens if we dont follow it.

But there is more, and i can only speak for my team, there are even more rules to follow when you are a member of CCL. These are to prevent bias within moderation and have been developed with CCP Navigator as we created this team.
It contains rules like "Do not moderate a thread/post of a thread you are involved with as a player" and many many more.

My response to Erotica1 is not everyones taste, i get that. But once you are a member of CCL, you cant just go on the forums and troll or break other forum rules with your player character. I hope that makes it more understandable for you.

We dont want to be the bad moderators beating you with a chain of iron locks. But we have to use the tools that we are provided with, to keep the forum a place for information and constructive discussion.
You see us also taking part in your discussions, like LackOfFaith and Ezwal did. Yep they even wrote a long e-mail to CCP, making them aware of the good discussion that happens here.

ISD's consists of members of the big alliances, small corporations or the lone wolf. Industrial, PVE, PVP, RP etc. we have them all and we work together.

So, everyone is welcome to apply to ISD. If they make it into ISD is not up to me, but involves more factors. Everyone has the chance to get in and do good for the community.

So here you have it, there is no bias in the moderation process.Big smile

ISD Eshtir

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons

Interstellar Services Department
Honrado deQuiros
Cartella Shipments and Storage
#130 - 2014-02-08 09:22:22 UTC
Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:
troll this to the core, ISDs should just stick to lock and unlock threads not poast in them.

This goes in forum moderation so lock it,


Some people have shifted the discussion about rules and moderation, but this really wasn't just about that.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#131 - 2014-02-08 09:24:07 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Trying to not kill discussion is why we've been making an effort to leave behind "[Moved] etc etc" threads redirecting to the new location. I agree that leaving discussions as they are may be good sometimes, but that's a judgment call that can introduce the dreaded ISD bias~~, so it's better all around as a moderator to (apparently draconically) apply rules to everything equally.

Again, if a way moderation is being done bothers you, please please please report it via a support ticket. CCP set the rules and tone, and it's better to let them be aware of a problem rather than give grief to a regular ISD (and getting subsequently moderated because discussion of moderation is against the rules, resulting in being thoroughly ignored).


Dude are you really discussing forum moderation? Shocked

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Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#132 - 2014-02-08 14:24:18 UTC
The Jagji wrote:
Along with a whole other bucket load of stuff, suck as making the forums 'tired' witch is a BAD idea.


i doen knott noe wat this centense meens

"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2014-02-08 15:14:10 UTC
The Jagji wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly.

Like a mini CAOD in the thread?


Yep when you make your thread there's a checkbox that says something along the lines of "npc corp members can post in thread."


Sorry, but not all NPC corp members are Alts. Some are people (like me) who are just playing the game, and not worries about corps to much. Then there are people who are in NPC corps due to switching to another corp. Along with a whole other bucket load of stuff, suck as making the forums 'tired' witch is a BAD idea.


If it prevents as Andski said the same npc alts from derailing a thread I'd be willing to take the disadvantage of losing out on people in that situation. It'd be up to the thread creator to so not every thread would be that way.

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blabla4711
Doomheim
#134 - 2014-02-08 15:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: blabla4711
La Nariz wrote:
The Jagji wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
How about a feature for threads that when we create them doesn't let NPC corp members post in it. It solves the problem of the same npc alts derailing threads constantly.

Like a mini CAOD in the thread?


Yep when you make your thread there's a checkbox that says something along the lines of "npc corp members can post in thread."


Sorry, but not all NPC corp members are Alts. Some are people (like me) who are just playing the game, and not worries about corps to much. Then there are people who are in NPC corps due to switching to another corp. Along with a whole other bucket load of stuff, suck as making the forums 'tired' witch is a BAD idea.


If it prevents as Andski said the same npc alts from derailing a thread I'd be willing to take the disadvantage of losing out on people in that situation. It'd be up to the thread creator to so not every thread would be that way.


That a funny remark from a member of an alliance whose members got repeatedly banned as a whole from various other games/forum/websites in the past because of their bullshitting in sheer numbers. And dont think you are different. Youve already proven otherwise. Lol
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2014-02-08 15:46:33 UTC
blabla4711 wrote:
That a funny remark from a member of an alliance whose members got repeatedly banned as a whole from various other games/forum/websites in the past because of their bullshitting in sheer numbers. And dont think you are different. Youve already proven otherwise. Lol


What does that have to do with my suggestion now? The thread creator gets to decide if they want everyone's input at the risk of npc alts derailing the thread, or are willing to have a decreased input at less risk of derailing the thread.

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Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#136 - 2014-02-08 15:54:21 UTC
blabla4711 wrote:

That a funny remark from a member of an alliance whose members got repeatedly banned as a whole from various other games/forum/websites in the past because of their bullshitting in sheer numbers.


gramer pls

"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#137 - 2014-02-08 16:23:08 UTC
Billy McCandless wrote:
blabla4711 wrote:

That a funny remark from a member of an alliance whose members got repeatedly banned as a whole from various other games/forum/websites in the past because of their bullshitting in sheer numbers.


gramer pls


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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2014-02-08 16:55:06 UTC
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#139 - 2014-02-08 17:47:52 UTC
Why would we have more forum activity? It's not like we learn anything or gain anything from being here. Most of us are just trolls with nothing better to do than argue with other trolls.

If the devs used the forums constantly and changes obviously occurred because of our ranting then there might be a reason, but that's not the case.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2014-02-08 19:33:19 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Arduemont wrote:
Why would we have more forum activity? It's not like we learn anything or gain anything from being here. Most of us are just trolls with nothing better to do than argue with other trolls.

If the devs used the forums constantly and changes obviously occurred because of our ranting then there might be a reason, but that's not the case.


Mining barge EHP buff occurred because of forum outrage. Warping while under criminal timer was changed because it was brought up on the forums by Herr Wilkus in one of his ganking guides. CCP has been influenced by forum activity before.

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