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[NEWS] Caldari Prime salvage plans announced

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#101 - 2014-02-11 04:07:52 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Hypotheses: Kimmy had a Gallente boyfriend who dumped her in a horrible and unseemly manner and is now bitter and resentful towards all of us because she can't cope with the fact he left her.

Could use a peer review, but that's all I can come up to explain the unbridled distain she displays.

Try removing gallente presence from Caldari prime and asking again.

But nevertheless, with your answer, we can see a fine example, how gallenteans reduce their reasoning to matters of simple sexual interactions. They simple forget that the other bloodlines are not guided by such primitive and savage impulses and think with their heads instead of crotch areas.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#102 - 2014-02-11 06:33:21 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Hypotheses: Kimmy had a Gallente boyfriend who dumped her in a horrible and unseemly manner and is now bitter and resentful towards all of us because she can't cope with the fact he left her.

Could use a peer review, but that's all I can come up to explain the unbridled distain she displays.

Try removing gallente presence from Caldari prime and asking again.

But nevertheless, with your answer, we can see a fine example, how gallenteans reduce their reasoning to matters of simple sexual interactions. They simple forget that the other bloodlines are not guided by such primitive and savage impulses and think with their heads instead of crotch areas.


For someone so concerned by genetics and bloodlines, you'd think your parents didn't give into their own primitive and savage impulses and not thinking with their heads by spawning a half-caste like you from their crotch areas, no?

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#103 - 2014-02-11 07:34:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Hypotheses: Kimmy had a Gallente boyfriend who dumped her in a horrible and unseemly manner and is now bitter and resentful towards all of us because she can't cope with the fact he left her.

Could use a peer review, but that's all I can come up to explain the unbridled distain she displays.

Try removing gallente presence from Caldari prime and asking again.

But nevertheless, with your answer, we can see a fine example, how gallenteans reduce their reasoning to matters of simple sexual interactions. They simple forget that the other bloodlines are not guided by such primitive and savage impulses and think with their heads instead of crotch areas.


For someone so concerned by genetics and bloodlines, you'd think your parents didn't give into their own primitive and savage impulses and not thinking with their heads by spawning a half-caste like you from their crotch areas, no?

Unlike yours, my parents were respectful and honorable citizens, and I would prefer every day to have two genomes in my blood instead of all that filth that is running though your veins.

Oh, and I will remember to lock you up in a guardhouse for a week or two next time we meet, so you will learn where your place is, grunt.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#104 - 2014-02-11 09:24:19 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Hypotheses: Kimmy had a Gallente boyfriend who dumped her in a horrible and unseemly manner and is now bitter and resentful towards all of us because she can't cope with the fact he left her.

Could use a peer review, but that's all I can come up to explain the unbridled distain she displays.

Try removing gallente presence from Caldari prime and asking again.

But nevertheless, with your answer, we can see a fine example, how gallenteans reduce their reasoning to matters of simple sexual interactions. They simple forget that the other bloodlines are not guided by such primitive and savage impulses and think with their heads instead of crotch areas.


For someone so concerned by genetics and bloodlines, you'd think your parents didn't give into their own primitive and savage impulses and not thinking with their heads by spawning a half-caste like you from their crotch areas, no?

Unlike yours, my parents were respectful and honorable citizens, and I would prefer every day to have two genomes in my blood instead of all that filth that is running though your veins.

Oh, and I will remember to lock you up in a guardhouse for a week or two next time we meet, so you will learn where your place is, grunt.


Your ability to make empty threats and amusing attempts at posturing remain unchanged, I see.

Do you really think I'm threatened right now? Because if you are, bravo really. It's like being shouted at by an angry midget that you just have to put a boot to their head and chuckle as they flail in impotent rage at you.

Enjoy your fantasy life, I suppose it's all you have anyway, dear.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#105 - 2014-02-11 15:59:26 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Hypotheses: Kimmy had a Gallente boyfriend who dumped her in a horrible and unseemly manner and is now bitter and resentful towards all of us because she can't cope with the fact he left her.

Could use a peer review, but that's all I can come up to explain the unbridled distain she displays.

Try removing gallente presence from Caldari prime and asking again.

But nevertheless, with your answer, we can see a fine example, how gallenteans reduce their reasoning to matters of simple sexual interactions. They simple forget that the other bloodlines are not guided by such primitive and savage impulses and think with their heads instead of crotch areas.

Why would I try removing anyone from anyplace? Also, I said nothing of sexual interactions, you thought of that all on your own. As for bloodlines, I tend to forget they exist altogether, blissfully so.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#106 - 2014-02-11 16:23:50 UTC
Speaking as 100% Deteis with a pedigree to prove it, I speak from a position of genetic purity when I say this:

Being pureblood doesn't mean much at all beyond bragging rights. Let me explain.

I was not the only one in my batch to be created with such pure genetic sampling. I'm not the only 100% pure Deteis tube child to be made within the greater decade of Hyasyoda's program. In fact, I had hundreds of 'siblings', assuming they could be called that. Eleven other 'siblings' in my birth-day alone. To my knowledge though, I am one of only two total to become a capsuleer from the program I was part of.

A vast majority of pureblood tube children were filtered into everything from menial janitorial to executive management groups. The program I came from produced citizens across the entire spectrum of aptitudes with only a slight leaning towards the executive end. Granted, I am no geneticist, not am I a demographic economist... but if I had to take a guess, I would say that simply being pureblood doesn't lend you any increased ability. Otherwise, we would see a much heavier leaning towards higher level employment.

The slight trend towards it that already exists can be explained by all of my 'siblings' having above average education and training from a very early age, without the influence of dynastic family employments. In other words, it's because we weren't expected and pressured and raised to become a metalworker like dear old dad and grandpa were. We were tested, sorted, and further trained to whatever areas we most excelled in.

I've met purebloods with less skill and intelligence than halfbreeds. I've met halfbreeds who gave me a run for my money. I dare say that what little experience I had competing against halfbreeds in my academy days was far more challenging than competition against my pureblood 'siblings' during my creche days.

To insult somebody for their genetic composition should only be done with the most significant and obvious sarcasm. To seriously attempt to insult someone based on that shows a disregard and/or ignorance for empirical evidence that has proven Racial Purity beliefs to be flawed at best, blatantly and knowingly misleading at worst. It's also a shameful attempt to draw attention to the person, rather than their actions.

There is plenty to legitimately ridicule Diana Kim for. Her blood is not one of those topics.

Katrina Oniseki

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#107 - 2014-02-11 16:28:48 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Speaking as 100% Deteis with a pedigree to prove it, I speak from a position of genetic purity.


Swoon!
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2014-02-11 17:09:51 UTC
No one is purebred. Limiting the genepool to just those of "pure" genes, you would run into an inbreeding risk.

Mixing races is why humanity became the species we are. You cant become hyper intelligent tool makers and language users with extra chromosomes. Racial mixing had proven to lead to more good traits from both races being inherited and less bad ones.

That said, there is nothing wrong with being "purebred" (even though you really aren 't) . Your genetic purity doesn't decide the type of person you are. Though it can help decide disorders, fitness, disease, and other conditions.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#109 - 2014-02-11 17:15:10 UTC
genetic purity is a nonsense concept anyway.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#110 - 2014-02-11 17:16:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
I feel we're diverting from the topic. Or more correctly, we've gone into the deep end of the void instead of our topic.

While Caldari Prime is indeed home to the Caldari, and especially the Civire & Deteis bloodlines, the fact is that a substantional part is governed by a Gallente tied corporation.
That they reached out their hands voluntarily to us, without getting stuck in comittee after comittee of federal bureaucracy, and that Ishukone accepted their reached out hand is a good sign for things to come.

It's far from perfect, but peace, and unrestrained access to home, Caldari Prime has to start somewhere. Let us show to the Gallente people that the Caldari State isn't the greedy, corporate, soul-crushing mogul they envisioned, but rather that we are a union of Corporations that repay the hard work and loyalty of their employees in kind.

In short:

Let's give peace a chance.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Jace Sarice
#111 - 2014-02-11 18:10:40 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:

It's far from perfect, but peace, and unrestrained access to home, Caldari Prime has to start somewhere. Let us show to the Gallente people that the Caldari State isn't the greedy, corporate, soul-crushing mogul they envisioned, but rather that we are a union of Corporations that repay the hard work and loyalty of their employees in kind.


One should be wary of trying to "show" others that they have misinterpreted your people. We are not responsible for the reactions and perceptions of others, but only for our own actions and ideas.
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2014-02-11 21:54:41 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Speaking as 100% Deteis with a pedigree to prove it, I speak from a position of genetic purity when I say this:

Being pureblood doesn't mean much at all beyond bragging rights. Let me explain.

I was not the only one in my batch to be created with such pure genetic sampling. I'm not the only 100% pure Deteis tube child to be made within the greater decade of Hyasyoda's program. In fact, I had hundreds of 'siblings', assuming they could be called that. Eleven other 'siblings' in my birth-day alone. To my knowledge though, I am one of only two total to become a capsuleer from the program I was part of.

A vast majority of pureblood tube children were filtered into everything from menial janitorial to executive management groups. The program I came from produced citizens across the entire spectrum of aptitudes with only a slight leaning towards the executive end. Granted, I am no geneticist, not am I a demographic economist... but if I had to take a guess, I would say that simply being pureblood doesn't lend you any increased ability. Otherwise, we would see a much heavier leaning towards higher level employment.

The slight trend towards it that already exists can be explained by all of my 'siblings' having above average education and training from a very early age, without the influence of dynastic family employments. In other words, it's because we weren't expected and pressured and raised to become a metalworker like dear old dad and grandpa were. We were tested, sorted, and further trained to whatever areas we most excelled in.

I've met purebloods with less skill and intelligence than halfbreeds. I've met halfbreeds who gave me a run for my money. I dare say that what little experience I had competing against halfbreeds in my academy days was far more challenging than competition against my pureblood 'siblings' during my creche days.

To insult somebody for their genetic composition should only be done with the most significant and obvious sarcasm. To seriously attempt to insult someone based on that shows a disregard and/or ignorance for empirical evidence that has proven Racial Purity beliefs to be flawed at best, blatantly and knowingly misleading at worst. It's also a shameful attempt to draw attention to the person, rather than their actions.

There is plenty to legitimately ridicule Diana Kim for. Her blood is not one of those topics.

Consider me to be all puffed up and beaming right about now, for several reasons.
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2014-02-11 21:58:18 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:

It's far from perfect, but peace, and unrestrained access to home, Caldari Prime has to start somewhere. Let us show to the Gallente people that the Caldari State isn't the greedy, corporate, soul-crushing mogul they envisioned, but rather that we are a union of Corporations that repay the hard work and loyalty of their employees in kind.


One should be wary of trying to "show" others that they have misinterpreted your people. We are not responsible for the reactions and perceptions of others, but only for our own actions and ideas.

While this is true, the concept of lead by example remains as strong today as it ever was. Words alone are hollow, but action without them rarely accomplish anything in the long term. It's worth learning to wield two swords over one, is it not? Just some food for thought.
Jace Sarice
#114 - 2014-02-11 22:20:38 UTC
Erys Charantes wrote:

While this is true, the concept of lead by example remains as strong today as it ever was. Words alone are hollow, but action without them rarely accomplish anything in the long term. It's worth learning to wield two swords over one, is it not? Just some food for thought.


You lead your community by example, not the communities of others. If you lead in such a way as to be untrue to your community it matters not that others may think highly of you - the primary purpose of leadership has already been cast aside. I understand the points you are trying to make, but one must be clear that leaders should strive to be seen as having merit by those they lead - not anyone else.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#115 - 2014-02-11 23:26:02 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

There is plenty to legitimately ridicule Diana Kim for. Her blood is not one of those topics.


Whilst I would agree with your sentiments expressed, it does not negate the amusement in watching someone contradict themselves in the same breath in which they condemn others for their lack of, "racial purity" while at the same instance not being able to prescribe to the purity they espouse with such vehemence.

Of course, it's that very constant contradiction in their own thinking without even realizing it that makes someone like Diana Kim so amusing and worth the remarkably little effort to provoke them into hypocrisy made even more humorous by the fact that they cannot even defend what they say without recourse to empty threats of little consequence.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2014-02-11 23:31:02 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
Erys Charantes wrote:

While this is true, the concept of lead by example remains as strong today as it ever was. Words alone are hollow, but action without them rarely accomplish anything in the long term. It's worth learning to wield two swords over one, is it not? Just some food for thought.


You lead your community by example, not the communities of others. If you lead in such a way as to be untrue to your community it matters not that others may think highly of you - the primary purpose of leadership has already been cast aside. I understand the points you are trying to make, but one must be clear that leaders should strive to be seen as having merit by those they lead - not anyone else.

Actually, I'm not sure you did, monsiour. A good leader is respected by his men. A truly great leader is loved by them, and respected by even his enemies. The unfortunate truth is, no matter how little one cares, the sense those others get of that leader on a national and international level will affect them greatly. It's just a basic truism of interstellar life and politics.

In short, if it even has to be considered separately, or ignored, that leader has already failed those who follow him by refusing to consider every aspect that affects or could benefit them. I don't know about you, my friend, but I've always found gritting my teeth and accepting a blow to my pride acceptable if it benefits those who rely on me. A leader is a servant and a beacon, someone to follow, yet ready to sacrifice for the greater good, even if the decision is unpopular.

Merit is extremely important, but I feel it should not entwined with raw popularity, lest a respected leader slip into becoming yet another placating beauracrat. The Cluster has enough of those things.
Jace Sarice
#117 - 2014-02-12 00:29:33 UTC
Erys Charantes wrote:

Actually, I'm not sure you did, monsiour. A good leader is respected by his men. A truly great leader is loved by them, and respected by even his enemies. The unfortunate truth is, no matter how little one cares, the sense those others get of that leader on a national and international level will affect them greatly. It's just a basic truism of interstellar life and politics.

In short, if it even has to be considered separately, or ignored, that leader has already failed those who follow him by refusing to consider every aspect that affects or could benefit them. I don't know about you, my friend, but I've always found gritting my teeth and accepting a blow to my pride acceptable if it benefits those who rely on me. A leader is a servant and a beacon, someone to follow, yet ready to sacrifice for the greater good, even if the decision is unpopular.

Merit is extremely important, but I feel it should not entwined with raw popularity, lest a respected leader slip into becoming yet another placating beauracrat. The Cluster has enough of those things.


We are speaking of different sides of a very similar coin, I believe. To the degree one's community requires diplomacy, be a diplomat. To the degree one's community requires protection, be a protectionist. Everything a leader does must be viewed through the lens of the culture and traditions he or she is accountable to. Where a leader sits on a scale such as diplomacy versus protectionism depends upon the people being led.

It is a matter of perspective. One should never sit down at an international table with the other side's perceptions a first concern. That is always secondary to the people you lead. It seems to me that people drastically overestimate the importance of attempting to gauge the perceptions of others. If you lead consistently, loyally, and cohesively with the values of your community, respect should follow. If it does not, that is far more telling of those you meet on the international stage than any attempt at altering their perceptions ever could. The vast majority of perceptions are set in stone far before you arrived and should be treated as a distant priority behind the community you lead.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#118 - 2014-02-12 00:36:20 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:

Your ability to make empty threats and amusing attempts at posturing remain unchanged, I see.

Do you really think I'm threatened right now? Because if you are, bravo really.

Should you? I suggested a regular disciplinary penalty.
I don't know, probably if I find more discrepancies in your behavior, disciplinary measures applied to you might be way more severe. So it is for you to decide, should you be threatened or not.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
It's like being shouted at by an angry midget that you just have to put a boot to their head and chuckle as they flail in impotent rage at you.

Well, I could treat you as such angry midget, but, unfortunately, you don't simply annoy me with your antics, you disgrace your uniform, our military and whole State. And for this you will have to pay as instructed.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Enjoy your fantasy life, I suppose it's all you have anyway, dear.

Talking about fantasies, it is amusing to see how a lowly grunt like you is trying to represent yourself as somebody important.
Maybe you would dare to report to me and try to say same things looking in my eyes, eh?
But I am pretty sure it won't happen: you will simply soil your pants just from looking at the door of my HR office in CSS Korosu and run away to live in your fantasy life.

You know, as a stimulation, I will cut your penalty in two, if you will dare to come to me by yourself without me finding you and dragging into punishment cell. Lets see now how threatened or scared you are. Will you have guts to answer for your behavior, or would you run, hide and spit bile through neocom interface, like a little yapping midget?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#119 - 2014-02-12 00:45:37 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Speaking as 100% Deteis with a pedigree to prove it, I speak from a position of genetic purity when I say this:

Being pureblood doesn't mean much at all beyond bragging rights. Let me explain.

There is no really even bragging rights for this. You should have seen what I did in the academy to those, who were practicing such "bragging rights". The only thing that being a pureblood means, is ability to procreate more purebloods. If I am not intended to procreate, it doesn't matter what blood I has (of course, provided it is not gallentean).

As for Veikitamo's rants, if we were studying together, she would be crying now and bleeding all over on my boots. Unfortunately, she is my inferior now and I can't simply beat her to pulp. Well, of course, on one hand, I could, but it would be wrong. What I have to do, is to apply to her proper regulated punishment.

Katrina Oniseki wrote:

There is plenty to legitimately ridicule Diana Kim for.

Try me.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#120 - 2014-02-12 00:49:33 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
I feel we're diverting from the topic. Or more correctly, we've gone into the deep end of the void instead of our topic.

While Caldari Prime is indeed home to the Caldari, and especially the Civire & Deteis bloodlines, the fact is that a substantional part is governed by a Gallente tied corporation.
That they reached out their hands voluntarily to us, without getting stuck in comittee after comittee of federal bureaucracy, and that Ishukone accepted their reached out hand is a good sign for things to come.

It's far from perfect, but peace, and unrestrained access to home, Caldari Prime has to start somewhere. Let us show to the Gallente people that the Caldari State isn't the greedy, corporate, soul-crushing mogul they envisioned, but rather that we are a union of Corporations that repay the hard work and loyalty of their employees in kind.

In short:

Let's give peace a chance.

There is only one chance for peace: complete termination of all occupants on Caldari Prime.
Only after Roden and his lapdogs will understand, that whomever they will send to occupy our world dies, disregarding age, race of profession, they will stop trying to steal our planet.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.