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[NEWS] Caldari Prime salvage plans announced

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Lyka Gridherst
Doomheim
#21 - 2014-02-08 21:10:51 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
About time someone cleans up the Gallente's mess.

The only purification of a gallente infestation on Caldari Prime is purification by fire.

I agree. Caldari Prime does need purification by fire. Will the Caldari still want a cinder?
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-02-08 21:51:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Lyka Gridherst wrote:

Will the Caldari still want a cinder?

Clearly. As you can see, they have invested quite a bit into their cinder and are now recovering like one would from any fire. The fact they have seen to it in a one directional mindset speaks volumes about how they have survived on it's hostile surface through the ages.

You must not have met many Caldari.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Hevaima Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-02-08 23:05:08 UTC
Lyka Gridherst wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

The only purification of a gallente infestation on Caldari Prime is purification by fire.

I agree. Caldari Prime does need purification by fire. Will the Caldari still want a cinder?


I do wonder at the necessity or purpose of such bravura. It's like watching two drunks at a bar shouting obscenities and threats at each other no doubt thinking they're extremely intimidating but failing to realize everyone else is just laughing into their drinks.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#24 - 2014-02-08 23:23:31 UTC
Hevaima Gesakaarin wrote:

I do wonder at the necessity or purpose of such bravura. It's like watching two drunks at a bar shouting obscenities and threats at each other no doubt thinking they're extremely intimidating but failing to realize everyone else is just laughing into their drinks.


You answered your own question, darling! I could watch Diana and Lyka all day. It would be worth becoming competent in a space thingie to be in a fleet with the two of them tumbling around the galaxy from one proffered genocide to the next... if not for the extraordinary effort that would be required for me to acquire such competence.

And you know, with respect to Diana's suggestion and Lyka's response, lighting Caldari Prime on fire would at least melt *some* of the ice. I kid, Schere sweetie, I kid.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#25 - 2014-02-08 23:29:00 UTC
Just remember that Diana Kim's views and statements do not reflect the views of the State or even the majority of State Citizens, and even if many Caldari aren't particularly fond of the Gallente, her extremist attitudes are very atypical.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2014-02-08 23:49:57 UTC
Hevaima Gesakaarin wrote:
Lyka Gridherst wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

The only purification of a gallente infestation on Caldari Prime is purification by fire.

I agree. Caldari Prime does need purification by fire. Will the Caldari still want a cinder?


I do wonder at the necessity or purpose of such bravura. It's like watching two drunks at a bar shouting obscenities and threats at each other no doubt thinking they're extremely intimidating but failing to realize everyone else is just laughing into their drinks.

This. Rikaato.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Hevaima Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-02-08 23:51:36 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:

You answered your own question, darling! I could watch Diana and Lyka all day. It would be worth becoming competent in a space thingie to be in a fleet with the two of them tumbling around the galaxy from one proffered genocide to the next... if not for the extraordinary effort that would be required for me to acquire such competence.

And you know, with respect to Diana's suggestion and Lyka's response, lighting Caldari Prime on fire would at least melt *some* of the ice. I kid, Schere sweetie, I kid.


In the art of negotiation, the value of a threat is found in the capability to execute the threat. Making a bluff while showing the table you don't even have any cards in hand is the epitome of either foolishness or absurdity. As for the lighting of fires, I've only lit them to enjoy the warmth of company and brandy, which I suppose is a far better use than disrespecting the dead on both sides of the present conflict as an empty threat that devalues both their lives and their sacrifices.

Xindi Kraid wrote:
Just remember that Diana Kim's views and statements do not reflect the views of the State or even the majority of State Citizens, and even if many Caldari aren't particularly fond of the Gallente, her extremist attitudes are very atypical.


Not even the former Executor made call for genocide, neither of the Gallente nor any other race or ethnicity. However, it could be said that it's often the case that the more worthless an opinion, the more it is sought to be claimed that it is indicative of a majority that does not exist by the one making it.
Ramius Decimus
Daitengu Fleet
#28 - 2014-02-09 01:55:36 UTC
Odd that there is no mention of materials going back to the Caldari Navy whence they originated. Again, Ishukone has proven through action their contradiction in philosophy and ideology towards the betterment of the State.

I never felt comfortable seeing how close Ishukone snuggled up to the Federation, but after the many years of this protracted Great War, I feel almost sick to my guts each time I witness their candor and collaboration with our enemy. Diplomacy is understandable but not when it works in the favor of the opposition.

Providence Guard no longer stands by Heth's madness-warped ideologies, however, we still stand apart from Ishukone.

Rear Admiral

Commander-in-Chief

90th Fleet

Caldari Navy

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#29 - 2014-02-09 01:58:55 UTC
Ramius Decimus wrote:
Odd that there is no mention of materials going back to the Caldari Navy whence they originated. Again, Ishukone has proven through action their contradiction in philosophy and ideology towards the betterment of the State.

I never felt comfortable seeing how close Ishukone snuggled up to the Federation, but after the many years of this protracted Great War, I feel almost sick to my guts each time I witness their candor and collaboration with our enemy. Diplomacy is understandable but not when it works in the favor of the opposition.

Providence Guard no longer stands by Heth's madness-warped ideologies, however, we still stand apart from Ishukone.


Please provide an example of when Ishukones actions worked only in favor of the Gallente. I'm curious.

-Eran
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-02-09 01:59:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Lyka Gridherst wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
About time someone cleans up the Gallente's mess.

The only purification of a gallente infestation on Caldari Prime is purification by fire.

I agree. Caldari Prime does need purification by fire. Will the Caldari still want a cinder?


You are subhuman.

Kim has the benefit that her idiocy is fun to read and laugh at. Nobody likes her, but the IGS wouldn't be quite the same without her. You on the other hand just spew **** out of your mouth and try to **** off as many people as possible. If that is your goal, I can confirm you have succeeded.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Ramius Decimus
Daitengu Fleet
#31 - 2014-02-09 02:07:02 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Ramius Decimus wrote:
Odd that there is no mention of materials going back to the Caldari Navy whence they originated. Again, Ishukone has proven through action their contradiction in philosophy and ideology towards the betterment of the State.

I never felt comfortable seeing how close Ishukone snuggled up to the Federation, but after the many years of this protracted Great War, I feel almost sick to my guts each time I witness their candor and collaboration with our enemy. Diplomacy is understandable but not when it works in the favor of the opposition.

Providence Guard no longer stands by Heth's madness-warped ideologies, however, we still stand apart from Ishukone.


Please provide an example of when Ishukones actions worked only in favor of the Gallente. I'm curious.

-Eran


I don't need to justify anything to you, matari. (But obviously you haven't read the Empyrean Age or Templar One novels)

Just by Ishukone refusing to enter the War against the Gallente is example enough...

Rear Admiral

Commander-in-Chief

90th Fleet

Caldari Navy

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#32 - 2014-02-09 02:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Saya Ishikari
Ramius Decimus wrote:
Odd that there is no mention of materials going back to the Caldari Navy whence they originated. Again, Ishukone has proven through action their contradiction in philosophy and ideology towards the betterment of the State.

I never felt comfortable seeing how close Ishukone snuggled up to the Federation, but after the many years of this protracted Great War, I feel almost sick to my guts each time I witness their candor and collaboration with our enemy. Diplomacy is understandable but not when it works in the favor of the opposition.

Providence Guard no longer stands by Heth's madness-warped ideologies, however, we still stand apart from Ishukone.

To put this in lay terms, it would cost far more to ship the salvage, piece by piece, into orbit, than it would to reuse it on Home, where it's actually needed. It's a Titan, which means it's a bit more involved than excavating a small city after a nuclear and chemical holocaust. The infrastructure of the planet needs to be repaired, not more assault frigates built to go shoot at militia in the war zone when there are still plenty being built in the meantime. The Navy's assembly lines have likely long since negated the loss, whose longest lasting ramifications are on the surface itself from the Shigeru's impact and associated fallout.

On a side note, I'm curious as to when diplomacy turns to collaboration (no, really, this line needs to be less nebulous to be taken seriously these days. It's everyone's favorite accusation anymore, so I'm looking for some actual line of reason in some cases). And I assume you're referring to the militia conflict in this "Great War" reference?

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-02-09 02:12:11 UTC
Ramius Decimus wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Ramius Decimus wrote:
Odd that there is no mention of materials going back to the Caldari Navy whence they originated. Again, Ishukone has proven through action their contradiction in philosophy and ideology towards the betterment of the State.

I never felt comfortable seeing how close Ishukone snuggled up to the Federation, but after the many years of this protracted Great War, I feel almost sick to my guts each time I witness their candor and collaboration with our enemy. Diplomacy is understandable but not when it works in the favor of the opposition.

Providence Guard no longer stands by Heth's madness-warped ideologies, however, we still stand apart from Ishukone.


Please provide an example of when Ishukones actions worked only in favor of the Gallente. I'm curious.

-Eran


I don't need to justify anything to you, matari. (But obviously you haven't read the Empyrean Age or Templar One novels)

Just by Ishukone refusing to enter the War against the Gallente is example enough...


No single megacorp is actually in the war. They do make the stuff used to fight the war though. Ishukone makes very advanced railgun and shield systems.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Ramius Decimus
Daitengu Fleet
#34 - 2014-02-09 02:24:30 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

No single megacorp is actually in the war. They do make the stuff used to fight the war though. Ishukone makes very advanced railgun and shield systems.


As they always have, however majority of those systems and weapons are far away from the front lines on their fleets guarding Ishukone territory and property. Home Guard have provided supplementary forces to bolster Caldari Navy forces along border systems in the war zone.

Probably the biggest contribution Ishukone has made is via us, the capsuleers, whom use their technology frequently in the war between militias.

I'm not talking about tech or materials, though, but about actual manpower - which they've been extremely reluctant to provide from the very beginning. Just the fact that Heth is gone is the only reason they've loosened up recently.

Regardless, must I remind everyone that Ishukone was the first to prance up to the Federation and offer peace and compromise so fresh after their devastating assault on the Shiigeru battle group leading to the CNS Shiigeru's destruction and tragic crash planetside. Their actions speak volumes.

Damn liberals.

Rear Admiral

Commander-in-Chief

90th Fleet

Caldari Navy

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-02-09 02:25:31 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Kim has the benefit that her idiocy is fun to read and laugh at.

If anyone has deserved the merit to talk about other people's idiocies, it is definitely not you, Mister... *akhem*... "fred... fred... bug... 4"...
No, really?...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#36 - 2014-02-09 02:27:29 UTC
Ramius Decimus wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

No single megacorp is actually in the war. They do make the stuff used to fight the war though. Ishukone makes very advanced railgun and shield systems.


As they always have, however majority of those systems and weapons are far away from the front lines on their fleets guarding Ishukone territory and property. Home Guard have provided supplementary forces to bolster Caldari Navy forces along border systems in the war zone.

Probably the biggest contribution Ishukone has made is via us, the capsuleers, whom use their technology frequently in the war between militias.

I'm not talking about tech or materials, though, but about actual manpower - which they've been extremely reluctant to provide from the very beginning. Just the fact that Heth is gone is the only reason they've loosened up recently.

Regardless, must I remind everyone that Ishukone was the first to prance up to the Federation and offer peace and compromise so fresh after their devastating assault on the Shiigeru battle group leading to the CNS Shiigeru's destruction and tragic crash planetside. Their actions speak volumes.

Damn liberals.

What would you propose in turn? Not that I disagree, since fact is fact, all emotion aside, but what do you suggest should have taken place that could realistically achieve the same or better?

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#37 - 2014-02-09 02:33:52 UTC
Ramius Decimus wrote:


I don't need to justify anything to you, matari. (But obviously you haven't read the Empyrean Age or Templar One novels)

Just by Ishukone refusing to enter the War against the Gallente is example enough...


Well for one, I asked nicely. No need to be rude. If your bigoted perspective could, for one moment, look past my race and face the question you might find you have no real answers. Ishukone contributed to the war like every other corporation. They have tried to work deals to the benefit of both parties, as any real diplomat or negotiator would. I've never heard of them only supporting the Federation.

Further, I've never heard of these novels and, being that they are novels, they are very questionable in their validity to any such arguement as this.

If you want your claims to be taken seriously you should have better evidence than novels and incorrect facts.

-Eran

((I have read both novels. 1) those are OOC knowledge for obvious reasons unless you claim omnipotence and 2) nowhere does Ishukone make dealings with the Fed that hurt the State. They try to make things better for both.))
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#38 - 2014-02-09 02:46:57 UTC
When does salvage ever go from whence it came from? Ishukone is under no obligation to return the materials to the Navy any more than anyone else salvaging any other ship is obligated to return them to the original owner. Ishukone is still serving Caldari interests by using the materials to rebuild NoH's headquarters, and has been pointed out above, it's more effective to try and utilize the materials in situ rather than trying to haul them up a grav well

As for the war I fail to see why furthering Heth's agenda makes anyone a bad group, and when your home planet is on FIRE the peace process helps the Caldari people more than throwing more meat at the grinder. Where were the patriots with aid supplies when people were dying on the ground?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-02-09 03:08:14 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Just remember that Diana Kim's views and statements do not reflect the views of the State or even the majority of State Citizens, and even if many Caldari aren't particularly fond of the Gallente, her extremist attitudes are very atypical.

I have no idea where Mr. Kraid takes his notion about Citizens, but it is definitely not in the State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#40 - 2014-02-09 03:55:23 UTC
You and I must be talking to different Caldari, because most of the ones I talk to, regardless of what they think of the Gallente or if they believe we should be at war with the Federation (and yes there are still quite a fair amount who believe the federation is our enemy and support the conflict with them), do not propose complete genocide like you do in many of your posts.