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A few question about the HISEC POCO Wars...

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2014-02-06 09:52:06 UTC
Lister Vindaloo wrote:
There's basically no margin in hisec PI anyway, as said above, taxes go up by 30% so will prices.

If the mechanic somehow allowed small groups to control POCOs maybe you would see some conflict but there are too few large organized groups in Hisec to justify the effort when a Relatively small null group can come in and control as many as they want.

If hisec POCOs had been used to introduce hisec dwellers to the concepts of Sov and "owning" things in space we might have seen more player flow from hisec to low, null and wormholes, instead they've given up on owning anything and PI as well...



Pocos in high sec must change. They must be different from low sec. Must cost less and have half the HP. That makes easier for small groups make fast hit and runs on larger groups pocos, making not worth for these groups to defend or retake them.


That or simply make impossible for 0.0 sov holder to get concord legalization for deployign pococ in high sec.. explanation? simple relation streee between the powerful null sec capsuleers and concord that feels threatened.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-02-06 14:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ra Jackson
Mario Putzo wrote:

And for my 2 cents.

Highsec people just don't give a **** about fighting each other. If they did they wouldn't be in highsec. They want to do whatever their thing is and don't give a **** what you are doing, or try to do about it. Declare war on them and they will happily dock for a week, or just leave corp and continue about their ways. But its not any different than the same personalities in 0.0. The guys in 0.0 just depend on other people to do the lifting for them instead of just having a system in place to begin with.

Case in point, Why So Serious being booted from their space....without a shot being fired.

Cowards are cowards. There are some guys in Highsec who are making money off this otherwise they wouldn't bother doing it, and if RvB or w/e wants to be kings of Poco's then go ahead, because most people in highsec don't give a ****. If taxes go up 30% all over HS. Prices won't be far behind.


This. I bet many people doing PI in hisec didn't even realize that the owner of their POCOs have changed. They would only realize if the POCOs were destroyed due to extended warfare over them. They simply do not care.
I even doubt that prices would follow taxes. After all it is free right? Like mining!

That Goblin dude is financing a ragtag alliance to permawar Goons in hisec and ultimately take their POCOs - with questionable success, but at least it's a funny read.
Catalyst XI
Catalytic Holdings
#43 - 2014-02-06 15:10:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Catalyst XI
Pix Severus wrote:
What tax rate do RvB typically set on their POCOs?


the RvBee community sets its tax rate for all pocos at 10% (with the skills trained). the RvBee community controls 98% of the pocos in the forge, all the pocos within 3 jumps of jita and loads more pocos across the rest of caldari space. we plan to keep expanding to include most of the lucrative HS areas.

an added bonus to using our pocos (at a very competitive and fair tax rate you'll agree) is you fund rvb. all proceeds go directly to the rvb community. we use it to fund events, noob aid programs, SRPs and the FC loyalty points program among other things. this steady source of income has turned rvb into a completely donation (the vast of majority of which came from a few vets) reliant community into a self sufficient entity able to organize robust pilot welfare programs for its members.

edit: ****** up the numbas
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-02-06 15:18:45 UTC
Ra Jackson wrote:
That Goblin dude is financing a ragtag alliance to permawar Goons in hisec and ultimately take their POCOs - with questionable success, but at least it's a funny read.

Nothing questionable about it. He hasn't taken a single POCO from us.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#45 - 2014-02-06 15:24:19 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
That Goblin dude is financing a ragtag alliance to permawar Goons in hisec and ultimately take their POCOs - with questionable success, but at least it's a funny read.

Nothing questionable about it. He hasn't taken a single POCO from us.


No, but he did shift the goalposts to claim a win when one of yours died and you instantly replaced it. He's got you right where he wants you, you've made your last mistake, grrr goons, yada yada yada. :P

I'm starting to think that Gevlon, Dinsdale and Hawkeye should run for CSM together. Just imagine how funny that would be.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#46 - 2014-02-06 16:38:42 UTC
I watched large null alliance come in and steamroll the POCOs and put up theirs

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#47 - 2014-02-06 16:58:16 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
That Goblin dude is financing a ragtag alliance to permawar Goons in hisec and ultimately take their POCOs - with questionable success, but at least it's a funny read.

Nothing questionable about it. He hasn't taken a single POCO from us.


No, but he did shift the goalposts to claim a win when one of yours died and you instantly replaced it. He's got you right where he wants you, you've made your last mistake, grrr goons, yada yada yada. :P

I'm starting to think that Gevlon, Dinsdale and Hawkeye should run for CSM together. Just imagine how funny that would be.

I'd vote for dinsdale, the csm minutes alone would be worth it.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-02-06 17:21:36 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I'd vote for dinsdale, the csm minutes alone would be worth it.

The minutes would never make it out of the conference room because his tears would ruin the paper they were written upon.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#49 - 2014-02-06 18:24:21 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
That Goblin dude is financing a ragtag alliance to permawar Goons in hisec and ultimately take their POCOs - with questionable success, but at least it's a funny read.

Nothing questionable about it. He hasn't taken a single POCO from us.


No, but he did shift the goalposts to claim a win when one of yours died and you instantly replaced it. He's got you right where he wants you, you've made your last mistake, grrr goons, yada yada yada. :P

I'm starting to think that Gevlon, Dinsdale and Hawkeye should run for CSM together. Just imagine how funny that would be.

I'd vote for dinsdale, the csm minutes alone would be worth it.


I will not run.

I do not want to expose myself to the inevitable RL harassment that would come from the null sec zealots and cartel leader's attack dogs.

Further, even if I made it, I would be bounced off the CSM so fast, assuming that CCP even allowed me on it.
I would have no problem telling certain CSM members and dev's exactly what I think of them.
And that would not just do, in the eyes of CCP, I am sure.
Mario Putzo
#50 - 2014-02-06 18:29:22 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
That Goblin dude is financing a ragtag alliance to permawar Goons in hisec and ultimately take their POCOs - with questionable success, but at least it's a funny read.

Nothing questionable about it. He hasn't taken a single POCO from us.


No, but he did shift the goalposts to claim a win when one of yours died and you instantly replaced it. He's got you right where he wants you, you've made your last mistake, grrr goons, yada yada yada. :P

I'm starting to think that Gevlon, Dinsdale and Hawkeye should run for CSM together. Just imagine how funny that would be.

I'd vote for dinsdale, the csm minutes alone would be worth it.


I will not run.

I do not want to expose myself to the inevitable RL harassment that would come from the null sec zealots and cartel leader's attack dogs.

Further, even if I made it, I would be bounced off the CSM so fast, assuming that CCP even allowed me on it.
I would have no problem telling certain CSM members and dev's exactly what I think of them.
And that would not just do, in the eyes of CCP, I am sure.



Can you make one post where you don't come off as a whiney *****?

Guys they will all just laff at me so I won't do it. I have all kinds of ideas, but Martini and his attack dogs will just laff at me...CCP will laff at me too. Everyone just laffs at me.

Man up and stop being a pathetic bitchmade ******.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#51 - 2014-02-06 18:34:21 UTC
[quote=Mario Putzo
Can you make one post where you don't come off as a whiney *****?

Guys they will all just laff at me so I won't do it. I have all kinds of ideas, but Martini and his attack dogs will just laff at me...CCP will laff at me too. Everyone just laffs at me.

Man up and stop being a pathetic bitchmade ******.[/quote]

I don't even have a clue what your post means.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2014-02-06 18:46:41 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I don't even have a clue what your post means.

He's calling you a bad poster.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#53 - 2014-02-06 18:50:43 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

I do not want to expose myself to the inevitable RL harassment that would come from the null sec zealots and cartel leader's attack dogs.

I don't get why people worry about harassment due to posting. I sht post all the time and the only thing that happens is that every now and then someone sends me a rather large amount of isk.

At this point I see it as more of an entertainment gig rather than anything else.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2014-02-06 18:53:02 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

I do not want to expose myself to the inevitable RL harassment that would come from the null sec zealots and cartel leader's attack dogs.

I don't get why people worry about harassment due to posting. I sht post all the time and the only thing that happens is that every now and then someone sends me a rather large amount of isk.

At this point I see it as more of an entertainment gig rather than anything else.

He's not afraid of "RL harrassment". He's afraid of running and then not having anybody vote for him.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#55 - 2014-02-06 18:53:21 UTC
who the eff would want to do PI in hisec anyway? the very thought is repugnant.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#56 - 2014-02-06 19:03:35 UTC
Rhes wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

I do not want to expose myself to the inevitable RL harassment that would come from the null sec zealots and cartel leader's attack dogs.

I don't get why people worry about harassment due to posting. I sht post all the time and the only thing that happens is that every now and then someone sends me a rather large amount of isk.

At this point I see it as more of an entertainment gig rather than anything else.

He's not afraid of "RL harrassment". He's afraid of running and then not having anybody vote for him.


Yeah, that's it.
I am sure you are right.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#57 - 2014-02-06 19:06:00 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Lister Vindaloo wrote:
There's basically no margin in hisec PI anyway, as said above, taxes go up by 30% so will prices.

If the mechanic somehow allowed small groups to control POCOs maybe you would see some conflict but there are too few large organized groups in Hisec to justify the effort when a Relatively small null group can come in and control as many as they want.

If hisec POCOs had been used to introduce hisec dwellers to the concepts of Sov and "owning" things in space we might have seen more player flow from hisec to low, null and wormholes, instead they've given up on owning anything and PI as well...



Pocos in high sec must change. They must be different from low sec. Must cost less and have half the HP. That makes easier for small groups make fast hit and runs on larger groups pocos, making not worth for these groups to defend or retake them.


That or simply make impossible for 0.0 sov holder to get concord legalization for deployign pococ in high sec.. explanation? simple relation streee between the powerful null sec capsuleers and concord that feels threatened.




Hit and run raids are 100% irrelevant in the context of reinforcement timers
Mario Putzo
#58 - 2014-02-06 19:07:58 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Rhes wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

I do not want to expose myself to the inevitable RL harassment that would come from the null sec zealots and cartel leader's attack dogs.

I don't get why people worry about harassment due to posting. I sht post all the time and the only thing that happens is that every now and then someone sends me a rather large amount of isk.

At this point I see it as more of an entertainment gig rather than anything else.

He's not afraid of "RL harrassment". He's afraid of running and then not having anybody vote for him.


Yeah, that's it.
I am sure you are right.


You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - The Great One.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#59 - 2014-02-06 19:16:44 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Rhes wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

I do not want to expose myself to the inevitable RL harassment that would come from the null sec zealots and cartel leader's attack dogs.

I don't get why people worry about harassment due to posting. I sht post all the time and the only thing that happens is that every now and then someone sends me a rather large amount of isk.

At this point I see it as more of an entertainment gig rather than anything else.

He's not afraid of "RL harrassment". He's afraid of running and then not having anybody vote for him.


Yeah, that's it.
I am sure you are right.


You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - The Great One.


My Sig has some relevance here.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2014-02-06 19:18:35 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Rhes wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

I do not want to expose myself to the inevitable RL harassment that would come from the null sec zealots and cartel leader's attack dogs.

I don't get why people worry about harassment due to posting. I sht post all the time and the only thing that happens is that every now and then someone sends me a rather large amount of isk.

At this point I see it as more of an entertainment gig rather than anything else.

He's not afraid of "RL harrassment". He's afraid of running and then not having anybody vote for him.


Yeah, that's it.
I am sure you are right.

No need to state the obvious.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise