Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Cathy if I may? Your arguments are only gonna get you trolled harder. And your attitude is rather militant making it more fun for them. Everything you have been saying is circular through out the thread and there is no resolution in that manner, as the counters have also been explicitly stated. It is you who need to adapt to existing mechanics, and your anger is not going to make CCP hear you any better. Doesnt matter what mechanics are at all, whatever they are the players must and will adapt or they will not enjoy this awesome game. and it is the best game I have ever played.

Truly your only recourse is to accept that or provide solutions, which CCP might hear. they certainly wont listen to your anger.

Great, so now player can't even get his insurance until he waits till they destroy him...

Also, tell me how would escort (except webber) help here?

Mag: I am not gonna bother theorizing. Sorry. As I said, maybe because not everyone is an *******?

EDIT: CCP ******* FIX THE FORUMS ... ******* POST LIMITS SHOULD NOT APPLY FOR GOD DAMN EDITS FOR FUCKS SAKE!

cool. ive never self destructed anything

What is hard about it? Someone bumps freighter. You check the type, assume all skills are at 5 and add maybe 20k EHP on top of that. Then divide that by number of buddies that can show up in next hour or even longer, see how much DPS you need, assemble people (this cant take ANY number of time), buy the ships (hell you even have time to make them...), but fits, travel thru WHOLE new eden and then one by one come to the system where bumping is taking place. Once everyone is there, fleet up, target, wait for TS/Fleet/Mumble/whatever till you hear go/say go and attack. Then have someone come over pick stuff.

Really, that hard?

So why have you allowed yourself, as a freighter pilot, to be in this position to begin with?

I guess cause I left station:

Every ship you undock may not return to dock. This is a corner stone of Eve.





Because I own a freighter:

Then take care of it as has been highlighted repeatedly. But seriously? You're going to buy a freighter? Spend 10-15m isk for 1b collateral and pay Red Frog. If they get ganked, you make money.




Because my alt's socket closed:

Crap happens. How many super pilots, dread pilots, have lost ships recently cause of server shenanigans that they had 0 control over outside of choosing to jump in?



Because my webber:

You should have docked when your webber AFK'd. And if it was uncontrollable, file it under crap happens. Sorry.(Not really)




Discarding heart attack.





NPC Corp?:

Yup, your fault for choosing to be in it.





Concord?:

It's not local's job to lose a ship for you. It's yours, if it comes to that.

against the bumper? gank him, bump him. try and get ur freighter free

against the impending gank?

-command boosts
-logistics
-ECM
-shoot the gankers

so u realise gankers have to calculate how much damage they can do in however much time. throw boosts in that they cant even see and their calculations are off. Logi repping the freighters throws that off. Jamming entire gankers out for 20 seconds throws their calcs off. and destroying gankers out right throws their calcs off.

ur freighter only has to survive by 1hp, and the gank has failed. Maybe the gankers will decide ur not worth it after that, maybe they wont. but the cost of their gank just went up.

I am not arguing anti gank, I am fine with how ganking is now. I am arguing against bumping. Thus only:

against the bumper? gank him, bump him. try and get ur freighter free

Not sure how bumping the bumper is, so I can't comment out. Ganking him is you losing stuff for no gain. You do not gain freedom for your freighter, you only prevent bigger loss by having a loss. That is why this is unballanced.

Meg: I should have been clearer. I do not own freighter I can fly. I do have one sitting in jita while I wait for skills, so I am preparing myself on how will I fly it. This includes reading everything on suicide gankings. And yes, I will use webber alt but again, I am preparing on how to use it most efficiently. And problem here is, that if you are unlucky, your freighter goes poof just because someone can keep you there until his buddies are ready.


Kenrailae: I am not sure how that would even work, but how can you do anything at all (without logistics?). If gankers go on alpha, you can't counter gank them without losing your ships as well. You are just making this even more loss for you...

precisely. my fav is black birds with logi.

and yeah, all teh helping i do with for buddies, they are happy to escort me when it matters. its never been needed (never had an attempt on a freighter of mine) and i rarely carry enough to warrant this kind of protection, but because its so blatant im traveling like this when i do, gankers may decide im not worth it.

ECM has saved me several times from ganks against mining barges, with 100% success rate so far. some food for thought

As far as the bumper goes:

Assuming he bumps you and your webber fails, and you don't have a second webber, what you gain by ganking him is your freighter and whatever was in it. A gank rupture costs roughly 30m if that. That should trash any frigate bumper. Won't be enough against a stabber, but anything other than a stabber should either be too slow(assuming your webber hasn't failed) or too soft(so you can just kill it, trading a 30m ish ship for a 1b+ isk ship). Anything Stabber or larger suggests an organized gang who you really need to have force to meet force with.

But your webber failing goes right there in that 'crap happening' category. And yeah, it's sometimes gonna happen.




As to Alpha:

An unexpected Alpha fleet will take even the best alliances by surprise and losses will ensue. Alpha is a very hard tactic to counter. Your best bet is pretty much in a Damnation and slave implants to counter alpha. The trade off of Alpha is it's generally 1 shot and your done. However, griffins on field could jam out the second volley. Choice and consequence.