Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Your right, however, every time somebody proposes sensible solutions they are large ignored. Their was a good work up idea way back in this thread. Finally found where it was buried, sheesh.

Furthermore, the game already uses internal calculations to determine how hard a ship is bumped. I still say we are not flying bumper cars, and the game could probably use those bump calculations to add real damage as well. With the above type of bumping rules and ships who destroys another ship in a bump would be criminal...

So what a freighter tops 1mil m3 and it is unbalanced? there are already banned substances throughout empire high sec, such as slaves, drugs, etc. Without artificially flagging anything add titans to that list, because for one it is already true (unless you mine with it...). As soon as a freighter jumped into high sec, with banned substances, such as the titans, his cargo would be confiscated.

There are solutions if everybody does not dig in and refuse change for the sake of personal opinion. I am relatively new to these forums, but I have certain suspicions... that some of CCP is posting with alts, and I am beginning to wonder who and why. In all topics, I look for DEV and GM posts because, they have the official answer. If you are CCP posting as an alt, could you just post as CCP so that this neverending non sense just stops... hopefully. And yes I know CCP officially states that bumping is not an exploit and will not be changed. But damage and suspect flags would (i think) balance the mechanic a little bit and is worth review and or discussion.

Concord is by and large a very broken mechanic. To 'fix' Concord would be almost as hairy as the POS or links re-write.






At Jetstream:


Yes, Freighters being able to haul capital ships around is a bad idea. How is this even remotely close to suddenly Drug hauling? :/

And Where in the BBQ sauce did you pull titans from? Let's start with the fact that they are stupidly broken on so many levels. As far as I'm aware(Could have missed something) The only high sec Titan was destroyed. I can't even begin to make sense of that bit.

EDIT In response to an Edit:

You still don't get it. You can't make Bumping Criminal. It happens all over New Eden, all the time, for a wide variety of reasons. And CCP have already said Bumping is an acceptable stratagem/mechanic. Why does this not make sense?

Niarja gate, Jita Undock, Amarr Undock? Really? You want bumping criminal in THOSE locations? I mean, Sure, I don't much care, just more Lols for me. But really? Come on man? If you have learned ANYTHING from your time in Eve, it should be that Eve players know how to take things and use them in ways they were NEVER imagined. Here I thought we were making progress with you.

Just to be CLEAR, I fully support bumping as a game mechanic. But the act of bumping not causing any impact damage whatsover, or bumping not being somehow construed as a hostile act under the aformentioned rules just seems ODD and STRANGE.

Further more, when I first entered these forums I viewed them as a constuctive way to voice new features and ideas as the topic suggests. Using the community to moderate these ideas is one way of doing it. But it would be nice and probably more constructive and helpful if CCP officially commented on specific ideas as good/ or bad, doable or not. and that they participated in these discussions to help flesh out ideas and features as a means of constructively working them out, or stopping them cold. But basically, almost every idea is immediately trolled into death or arguments over finer points by the player themselves, which is not very constructive.

Edit: ATM i cant help but feel that participating in these forums is a complete waste of my game time because very few people actually seem to be listening here without bias or preconception.

I give you a needed feedback, pls, change the Thread Titel into:

"How could the bumping mechanic be improved?"

That would help a little bit.

Edit: Upps Wrong Guy, sry! ^^

Right, can you next time comment on what you quote? That would be great. Because I was arguing "costs"/"difficulty" that gankers would have if bumping was out.

Also, the only way that was posted here how to not get ganked by bumping is to use webber. But what if you get lag and you can't web in time? Once you are bumped, webbing opportunity is lost.

Also CCP ruled on different bumping, bumping miners. They also ruled that if someone who is bumped tries to leave the system and you still bump him, it is harassment. But hey, you don't want that ruling, do you?

Look, I have nothing against ganking, fine, do it and blow it up, then share spoils, I am fine with that. But not bumping for different reasons:

a) it makes ganking afk possible (ie gankers can watch tv, masturbate or whatever while they wait until one guy who is "on duty" calls them "hey I fished cool freighter" in which point they don't even have to come in for another X hours until next DT, which is ******* ridiculous!

b) you don't even need to gank anyone, just bump the freighter for the lulz, since there is nothing that can prevent that (except someone blowing you up and losing ships for ZERO profit)

c) you can force PVP on someone that doesn't want it (I am not calling freighter kills PVP). Just bump le bump the freighter for no reason until his corpmates come and blow you up. They lost a lot of ISK, while gained NOTHING, while you lost NOTHING (since you have insurance) -> perfect griefing tactics

Interesting tidbit I just learned: packaged Super carriers are 1mil m3. WTF? lol

Titans on the other hand are 10m m3, so couldn't be hauled.

I get what you're thinking here but it still wouldn't work that way. It would avoid some suspect flagging, but certainly not all, and would allow for far more creative ways to gank. Any time you can force a suspect timer on someone is not good, and that solution has ALL kinds of flexibility for forcing suspect timers. Timers need to be assigned by a direct decision based on a module activation, not an arbitrary navigation path.


Forgot the mining titan was still there, lol :) Guess we know what to gank next now don't we? lol


B2K are good on their stuff. That is a very good example of what I've been saying about preparation and planning. Your Mega would have stood a good chance against most those ships alone, but working together like that, it didn't have a chance. People may find the thought of freighter escort boring, but all you need are some griffins and a few logi to keep a freighter alive. I'm sure quite a few high sec merc corps would do collective freighter run escorts for a reasonable price, if they were escorting several at a time. The tools are there. People just need to use them.

except...

its about as hard as the freighter getting on TS and calling his friends...so whats the problem?

There is nothing from EVE devs there, except post about removing GM's posts. Maybe you meant those? Too bad they were removed....