Player Features and Ideas Discussion

http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/01/10/eve-evolved-five-interesting-combat-tactics-part-2/print/

This will do for the moment. There a specific example I'm trying to find about this where there was a titan that was bumped out of slowcat rep range so the slowcats were used as half fleets and cyno'd in near/on the titan as the enemy was bumping the titan away from slowcats.

Found another one: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=605110

The titan was held by warp disruption bubbles, not by bumps.

But they have made a clear ruling. The thread is specifically named, GM Response On Bumping and it does not specify only mining ships, it states the following.

"CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another player’s ship as an exploit."

Also please read the following link. It is the Eve search version of the thread I Iinked. A thread of someone complaining of a freighter being bumped for over an hour.

I get it that people do not like the ruling, but it is clear and it does cover all ships.

"Bumping has been employed in the destruction of numerous titans to prevent them from aligning to warp. It was also the only way to prevent a mothership from escaping in low security space prior to the invention of Heavy Interdictors with their focused warp disruption fields."

Just highlighting the important bits.

I just wanna clear up one MASSIVE common misconception in this thread:


Gankers aren't whining about 'Oh I'll need more ships' or 'Oh it'll be hard.'


Gankers aren't saying 'No' to your 'give me a super freighter' requests because it'll make their life more difficult. There will still be plenty of people who fail to take care of their super freighters and get themselves ganked.

Gankers in this thread are telling you 'No' because Eve doesn't need Super Freighters, nor do mechanics need to be changed. We're familiar with many forms of PVP. Ganking is much more detail intensive than orbit/F1 monkeying. We're okay with things being hard. It's what makes the game fun for us. We're NOT okay with the ignorant and lazy whinging in overly discussed mini-threadnaughts until they get their way and are able to continue being ridiculously lazy and ignorant as a result. We're saying 'No' because we've given you as many ways to avoid the gank as you've given us excuses that it can't be done. We've acknowledged that yes, from time to time, even the best efforts to avoid a gank will still not be enough. But as many times as it isn't, it will be. That's the way it should be.


Ganker's aren't in these threads trying to protect their way of life. Ganking is just ONE PVP method open to us. We're in these threads protecting the Nature behind Eve. That nature is this:

Eve is a PVP game, at its heart and design. Eve is not designed to cater to those who are unwilling to adapt and learn.
Eve is a game for the opportunist, the tactician, and the Planner. Eve is not a game for the lazy, ignorant, or foolish.




If you can spend hours putting time into market PVP, then you can spend an hour to hire an escort for your profits, or 10 minutes to contract it to Red Frog who DO freighter correctly.

If you can spend days mining your empire, you can spend hours securing its future by planning proper logistics.



And if you can't.... then you weren't ready for it anyway.

Eve is built around those who seize opportunity. That's why you read so many stories of alliances and coalitions brought to their knees by one patient, well placed spy. That's why you read so many stories of super and titan kills planned for weeks, and executed in one flawless sweep. No where in Eve's design or history has the lazy, uninformed, unmotivated individual came out better off. They may get lucky from time to time, but that luck always comes back around.



These threads aren't about gankers crying that it'll be too hard to do what they do. They'll adapt and find new targets or better ways. The ganked, the cow led to slaughter, will not, and we'll only see a new round of 'Buff my ship and make the dirty mean pirates illegal' threads spawn. These threads are about those who refuse to adapt, expand their knowledge, or change their ways. Let's get that point straight. These threads aren't about the gankers. These are about the ganked.

Still trying to wrap my head around how getting 15 pilots to shoot and destroy a disabled (By Mechanics), unarmed freighter is PVP? I always thought PVP was a contest of skill against another equally capable and skilled player? This seems more like IED's or Seal Skin harvests.

in the words of Jimmy Valmer: No, you ******!!

I didn't miss that, Bumping is working as intended. You're talking about tens to hundreds of people bumping a titan to prevent it from warping, in either non-empire or low security space. We're talking about OP's select situation of one noobship preventing a freighter.

It's not broken man, Sorry to say.

Using many and needing many people is very different, you can bump a titan with noobships as well. Reports that I've heard of are that as few as 4 or 5 using approach will keep a titan bumped.

Edit'd for website glitch.

Yeah ok, sorry no one believes you. And if your thinking of the logoffski trick, i believe everyone agreed that it was exploiting as well.