Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's not actually a fix.

Either remove collision detection for ships, so one model can fly straight through another completely preventing bumping; or flag bumping as a criminal action so the bumper can be legitimately blown to bits in HS.

Problem solved.

Not that i'd want this, but:

It would be more logical to have it so that if you have the safety enabled, bumping is impossible - I mean, just fudge the result by making the bumping ship do an "AI flight override" or similar rubbish and force a flight correction, and by taking the safety off AND THEN bumping you get a criminal flag.

It would be horrible to code and ugly to watch happen, but it would make more sense then ships flying through each other.

You seem to be quite dumb, here let me enlighten you.

What you need for a bumping ganking squad.

1 bumping character waiting at a stargate with a cargo scanner and phone numbers or names for friends in some social chat thingie.

Contact friends when you have marked your target and started bumping. Friends start logging when they want and start moving ships required to gank the freighter.

You also speak of "dumb players autopiloting", in order to start bumping a freighter, you only need it to start aligning to next stargate, at this point start bumping and the target is indefinately locked out and can be ganked when ever you want. And as earlier said, you can bring a rookie ship to aggress the freighter in order to deny safe logoff.

Now tell us, does the freighter pilot have the same luxury, as in: When you get bumped, contact your friends, you have indefinate time for friends to come rescue, and when they come they can just kill the bumper.
But no, you need to have those friends with you all the time, if someone starts bumping, only way to get rid of it is shooting it, which ofcourse gets you concorded, basicly just making this impossible.

Tbh, I can't even understand how this isn't an exploit, the bumper is circumventing game mechanics by not aggressing but still holding the target, this is ok ofcourse if he aggresses, but hisec bumpers don't aggress basicly giving them a point without having to aggress.
Secondly, how is this not harrassment ? Someone bumps for a while and locks the other party from doing anything, thats just dumb. Either aggress and have your gank squad ready to bring it down or get banned.

tldr: bumping is for getting ships out of range or moving them to a specific point, not for circumventing aggro mechanics and replacing a point/scramb.

Actually, you DO have the same luxury as in - as soon as someone starts bumping you call your corpmates to come with logis, webbing ships, BS's to bump the bumper, provide reps and/or web you out of the situation. I've acutally seen something like this happen yesterday and bumper eventually gave up. If you think it's unfair that someone has people ready to do some kind of PVP activity when you don't, you're playing the wrong game.

All the whining about freighter ganks are silly. I've solo ganked a lot of folks myself and came to conclusion that people are simply lazy and ignorant.
Newcomers I understand and (almost) feel bad for, but someone playing eve for 2-3 years should definitely know better then to haul 1-2 bil in T1 indy or 3+ bil in a regular freighter when there are options to do it safer. Why carry officer mods in freighter when it can be done with 99,99% safety in a blockade runner? Need billions worth of bulky stuff moved around - use jump fregihter, split it into less expensive chunks, use red frog, etc.

This is incorrect.


They will NOT go suspect because the Freighter is doing nothing to acquire aggression. That's like saying the Freighter goes suspect for being shot. Logistics that are repping the freighter(or logi only repping the freighter) can do this all day and they will not go suspect. Now, the moment 1 of them reps something with aggro.... the whole picture changes, ofc.

Edit: They MAY get a limited engagement with the gankers. I'm not 100% sure on that, but I don't think they do because of the action being ganking in high sec.


Motoko, I'm not even going to bother with you as you validate all my points with your own statement. Including my statements that High sec players are unteachable. Thanks.

I will give you one little tidbit though. As soon as your friends start logging on to gank the freighter, they all fall into the roles I defined, plus several more cause I only gave a basic gank squad. Now, go back to your corner and shush, pup, the adults are talking.



@ Dspite:

You COULD challenge them all to a duel, and web them that way.
It's not a spectacular solution and you'd have to check when the duel can be issued/accepted, but if the timing was acceptable, it would do the job. I do disagree with your 'superblue' standing though, for the fact that corporations exist for a reason(s), and this standing would negate one of the big reasons they exist. I'd LIKE for my out of corp alt to be more easily accessible, but I also like that he doesn't say 'Suddenly Spaceships' all over him so I can use him for other things.



All these 'flag bumping as criminal' posts really just haven't thought things out. Bumping happens every day in Eve for completely accidental and legitimate reasons. Busy Star gates will always have bumps. Bumping as criminal would result in an exponentially higher rate of dying freighters and fancy ships than already occurs.



Freighters don't need modules. They exist to be giant boxes. We also learned a long time ago that as soon as you give one thing hoping it will alleviate all the whining about something, 10 more things pop up in its place. Tried and true.

What Freighters need is to remember that Eve IS a PVP game. So... PVP. The best counters for Gankers are either a griffin wing support(pre-lock any gank ship that hits the field, soon as it goes suspect, perma jam it) with some logistics, a pair of Rapiers with Claymore/Astarte booster warping to station between every gate, Or to simply not use your freighter or keep the values low. I'd never suggest a Freighter to a pilot. An orca is infinitely better. A JF better still.

All in all, you choose to buy a freighter and use it, and NOT take precautions to protect it, you choose to lose it. Maybe not today, but it will happen. CCP doesn't need to fix anything here. People need to take responsibility for their stuff, and remember this is a PVP Sandbox. So bring your PVP toys to the sandbox and wreck it.

I mean its nice that CCP did program a collision mechanic, because we all know how stupid it is that you can Run trought other Chars in most of the other MMORPGs.

But did they EVER tweak this effects? I cant remember any changes and maybe they should take a Look atleast every 10 years or so. :D

I think what annoys me is the ability to stare at 10 instalock Tornados off a gate, and know instantly why they are there, what they are going to do - also because you can call up their pilots names on killboards - but knowing that other then telling people to "go around" there is not much in a way of a counter to an alpha strike, because of CONCORD weird mechanics.

I'd rather hand mechanics over to allow pirates to be pirates, and even players to play as navy, so they can play silly cat and mouse games all day in hisec.

The spaghetti code to allow all that would probably strangle most of the devs though.

They should change it completely and not tell anyone.

Then the next frigate would smack into the hull of a freighter, come to a full stop, and slowly slide off nose first, with that same sound effect you get when you slide a wet finger across glass, with the freighter pilot not even noticing the impact.

Now imagine what an organised group, seasoned in fleet fights and with nothing else to do in nullsec could do to hisec if this mechanism of yours was implemented. Burn Jita would look like naive childish fun.