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Just lost my first ship. Absolutely enraged.
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Dkeh Weis
Digital Innovations
#21 - 2014-02-04 15:45:49 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:


8 words out of 100 that hint at what the mission is going to go like. When I realised I was in an unwinnable situation I attempted to warp back to my station, getting destroyed in the painfully slow process of warming up my warp engines.



On this note, you are probably piloting a ship that will enter warp in a few seconds. Not instantly, but much faster than the majority of ships in the game. You want to fight "aligned". Pick a spot that you will warp to if you start getting the **** kicked out of you, and "align" to it (right click on it > align). This will make warping instant once you get up to speed.

Also, post the fit you were using, so that we can fix it for you. If you are using shield and hull reppers, you are fitting incorrectly, and we will help you with that.

Eve will make you work a solid month all on your own for your first cookie. Then kick you in the nuts and take that cookie, and laugh at you for thinking you could have a cookie at all.
Keno Skir
#22 - 2014-02-04 15:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Honestly mate, it's annoying to lose your stuff. But all this whining about having to read google (some games are just complex and require some self-study) kinda distracts from your other point. You were told what to do in the mission briefing, it appears you were just not happy with how many words they used to tell you : If something seems amiss, report back to base.

So you were told what to do, you just missed it. That's fine too until you rage on the forums about how they should have used more words to say that to you.. In fact a new player friend of mine recently encountered the LvL2 equivelant of that mission. He also had the instruction to run if something (the massive war fleet) seemed amiss. He did not want to run however so he gathered a couple of more experienced friends and killed that war fleet (14 Battleships if i remember correctly plus support). He learned in a single mission that :

1. Some things are too big to fight solo and you may have to run and rethink.
2. Things that are impossible solo, are generally do-able as a group.

He learned much from that mission, as i believe did you.

It's ok to feel frustrated about your first ship losses because they represent a large portion of your wealth, but eve revolves around that sense of loss and it is exactly the cold harsh nature of the game that we all love so much. The new player experience is MUCH better than it used to be and is improving with every expansion, many years ago you were just told to mine a rock and shoot a bad guy then sent out to make your fortune.

Next time you will read the mission report properly, so you definitely learned something here. I never read about a mission on google until i started doing level4 missions, so it's definitely possible to muddle your way through the earlier ones without google. Sure i lost a few ships along the way, but that's what i like about the game, your decisions have very real consiquences.

Capsuleers are supposed to be the hardest of the hard, in a wild west style new frontier. Pick yourself up and do it better next time, or give up and go home. Don't mean that in a harsh way, just how it is.

Fly safe man, hope things get better for you.

(ALSO - Good point above, a ship in eve is only as good as the fitting. Post your ship fit and we will make suggestions. Hull reppers are generally pointless, but you weren't to know that. All part of the "eve learning cliff" <- Google That)

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Orin Wright
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-02-04 15:50:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Orin Wright
I'm a new player too.

So far, I've lost:
1 Cruiser, 2 Destroyers and 5 Frigates.

I'm not enraged, I was expecting to lose ships.

Rule 2: Never fly what you can't afford to lose.

One of those Frigates was lost in a mission where I didn't know my ship was going to be the bomb, I thought I was planting a bomb.

The other, a Commorant, was lost during that endurance mission where they were testing to see how long I'd last. I figure I could kill everything in a Commorant.
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-02-04 15:54:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
Orin Wright wrote:
I'm a new player too.

So far, I've lost:
1 Cruiser, 2 Destroyers and 5 Frigates.

I'm not enraged, I was expecting to lose ships.

Rule 2: Never fly what you can't afford to lose.

One of those Frigates was lost in a mission where I didn't know my ship was going to be the bomb, I thought I was planting a bomb.

The other, a Commorant, was lost during that endurance mission where they were testing to see how long I'd last. I figure I could kill everything in a Commorant.

Dude gets EvE!

+1 and o7

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#25 - 2014-02-04 16:02:57 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
The thing is, I already knew that, but thanks anyway :D

Also, the idea that mission runners google the missions before they do them is just ludicrous imo. WTF is the point in that? It's like people who buy guides for their new games. If that really is the norm then I have a feeling the missions are going to irritate me amazingly, because reading a walkthrough before I've even attempted a mission is just something I'm not capable of doing whilst still trying to have fun. To not hold your hand is one thing, to require you to read a walkthrough in preperation is something else.

Thanks to those who actually had something substantial to say/advise. To those pretentious snobs that didn't, thanks anyway :)



Right, check out your faction standings in a month if you don't use EvE survival. I look forward to that post.

That pretentious smell test goes both ways... I consider myself a fairly kind player but you missed the lesson the game was teaching you.

It is this: EvE has consequences. The losses are permanent.

You can choose not to do research or you can just autopilot through a .4 system and get popped by pirates. So you can choose not to use google, the forums, or any other supplement and learn how to EvE all on your own. The path suggested by others is - it's a lot less painful to join a corp, make a friend, or hit up google.

The school of hard-knocks has its merrits but it requires a tougher skin than you have.
Dkeh Weis
Digital Innovations
#26 - 2014-02-04 16:06:42 UTC
Your response was much more diplomatic than mine :)

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#27 - 2014-02-04 16:57:06 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
To pit me against people I can't kill in a tutorial mission however, that doesn't even teach me anything is just irritating, and has completely deflated my interest in the game. I need to find a new ship, new weapons, ammo, shield and hull repairers, as well as a cargo booster, and another booster I can't even remember the name of because again, I'm still in tutorial. Guess I'd best go mining for a day in one of my two ventures, what joy. Again, I simply wouldn't react like this if it weren't a tutorial.

Also miss. I resent the fact you'd simply assume I'm 'used to handholding'. GTFOver yourself.


It taught you that dying HURTS in EVE and since you're in the tutorial where you get free ships, mods and isk that's the best place to learn that, right away. What if you hadn't and you'd get to a lvl 3 mission in your new battlecruiser you worked so hard for to buy and fit and THEN you'd run into this issue?

It might also teach you that setbacks are part of the game, might as well get used to them. OR it might teach you that EVE is not for you.

pretty much this,

comparatively, other mmo's do in fact hold your hand, eve is not an easy game to get into.

Daniel Plain wrote:

i am 99% certain that IF you stick with eve for a year or so, you will one day remember this post and laugh for a minute straight.

Lol

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Vozlov Krovik
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-02-04 17:04:14 UTC
Lol. The mission told me to go escort a civilian ship to another part of space. The ship was badly damaged, and then enemies turned up. Funnily enough I thought I was supposed to protect the ship, not run away back to a station I was at less than a minute before. The fact is this game has a terrible tutorial system, that often requires new players to look up tutorials on how to play the tutorials. I already knew I could be outmatched, I just didn't expect to be outmatched in a tutorial I believed was teaching me about escorting, considering everything but that one sentence told me I'd be escorting. Lesson learned I guess, Eve's a *****.

I'm over it now, and am continuing with the rest of the tutorials.

Glad to see though that the community is just like the real world. On the one hand their are people actually willing to lend advice and a helpful hand, whilst on the other there are losers with nothing better to do than fan their elitist ego.

Noxisia Arkana wrote:

Right, check out your faction standings in a month if you don't use EvE survival. I look forward to that post.

That pretentious smell test goes both ways... I consider myself a fairly kind player but you missed the lesson the game was teaching you.

It is this: EvE has consequences. The losses are permanent.

You can choose not to do research or you can just autopilot through a .4 system and get popped by pirates. So you can choose not to use google, the forums, or any other supplement and learn how to EvE all on your own. The path suggested by others is - it's a lot less painful to join a corp, make a friend, or hit up google.

The school of hard-knocks has its merrits but it requires a tougher skin than you have.



I have absolutely no intention of using Eve Survival. I might as well just watch a lets play on youtube and not even bother playing the damn game.
You actually enjoy knowing exactly what to take with you on a mission, knowing exactly what is coming?
Yet you're one of those that are telling me to not expect Eve to hold my hand, and that I don't have a tough enough skin for it? Lol, Irony.

Regardless though, if you'd of read the thread you'd know I've been endlessly trawling through google and the wiki on how to play the game, teaching others what I've found out in the process. So no, in this case the pretentiousness doesn't go both ways.

Cheers people. See you in Eve!
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2014-02-04 17:14:57 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:


I have absolutely no intention of using Eve Survival. I might as well just watch a lets play on youtube and not even bother playing the damn game.
You actually enjoy knowing exactly what to take with you on a mission, knowing exactly what is coming?
Yet you're one of those that are telling me to not expect Eve to hold my hand, and that I don't have a tough enough skin for it? Lol, Irony.

Regardless though, if you'd of read the thread you'd know I've been endlessly trawling through google and the wiki on how to play the game, teaching others what I've found out in the process. So no, in this case the pretentiousness doesn't go both ways.

Cheers people. See you in Eve!

the mission pool has been a known quantity for years,
the narrative quality is not exactly a strong suit of this game.
certainly not in the case of missions anyway.

Vozlov Krovik wrote:
Yet you're one of those that are telling me to not expect Eve to hold my hand, and that I don't have a tough enough skin for it? Lol, Irony.


much less than you think.

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Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-02-04 17:19:47 UTC
A Corpmate of mine once asked in Local after seeing me chat about how i lost one of MANY frigates that day :
" You know that's the enemy you're talking to right ? "
I replied : "That's my best Teacher.. my Enemy "

I'm two Months and some change as far as being a New Eden Capsuleer.

when I started.. I did everything right.. the tutorials were a BREEZE to me.. so by the time I was out there, doing the Sisters ofEvE Epic Arc mission "Blood Stained Stars" a roughly 50 mission chain that brings you to all 4 empires and worth about 35 million ISK in loot and rewards.. I was feeling invincible.
i then met Kristan par thus ? the second to last fight ? i believe he was the NPC in an Amarr cruiser that uses anEnergy Vamp.
my winning streak went south starting then. I lost my "best" destroyer.. because Iwas too stubborn to ask for help .. or bother with Google on how to fight this enemy smarter than just orbit at X...and pew pew.

to TOP that.. once i got to the final fight. DAGAN.. i see another player flying one of those new Sisters of EvE Cruisers and she kills Dagan & STEALS him! effectively making it impossible for me to complete that.. 50 mission story arc !
I was fuming.. enraged.. I wanted to buy an armada of pilots to exact revenge!

then ... after a day ... I stood back.. calmly collected myself, thought.. " this doesn't mean the end for me. EvE doesn't even REQUIRE me to complete this mission. I'l Quit it.. if I can't get the mission gain.. so be it.. I have an endless sea of content to see and create on my own ! that "pirate" shoulda have killed me.. but it only made me stronger.
I'm more aware.. I'm smarter about where i fly

nowadays.. as I fly my frigates looking for PvP in RvB... I say " GF! wins or losses.. I'l ask for seconds ! "

in the words of a famous brown coat : "At least I'm still Flying ! "

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Dkeh Weis
Digital Innovations
#31 - 2014-02-04 17:20:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Dkeh Weis
You are ignoring valid points that various people (who, might I add, have more experiance than you, and have done the tutorial) are bringing up, repeatedly.

It was not a terrible mission.

You didn't learn from it.

YOU are the problem in this situation. Not the mission.

Eve will make you work a solid month all on your own for your first cookie. Then kick you in the nuts and take that cookie, and laugh at you for thinking you could have a cookie at all.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-02-04 18:20:04 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
I understand this game doesn't hold your hand. I've been reading endlessly about tons of stuff, to the point where I'm helping other noobs out with their noob questions. The fact is I'm in a damn TUTORIAL mission that didn't actually TEACH me anything. The entire mission consisted of going to a place, not doing anything, and then leaving again.

I'd be perfectly content if I'd of been running around lowsec space, or been taking on an actual mission, because it'd of then been my own stupid fault. I was exploring low sec space yesterday and had to run like hell when I jumped into a pirate camp. But a death then would of been completely called for.

To pit me against people I can't kill in a tutorial mission however, that doesn't even teach me anything is just irritating, and has completely deflated my interest in the game. I need to find a new ship, new weapons, ammo, shield and hull repairers, as well as a cargo booster, and another booster I can't even remember the name of because again, I'm still in tutorial. Guess I'd best go mining for a day in one of my two ventures, what joy. Again, I simply wouldn't react like this if it weren't a tutorial.

I so can't wait for J' to get home from work. Do you think I have time to nip out for some popcorn?


No worries. Have read the OP. Will properly post when at home as this special snowflake needs a wall of text to reply.

Also...shame on the regurlars for not seeing and saying DO NOT DUAL TANK. Shield OR armor, not both. And certainly not hull unless you know what you are doing.

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Dkeh Weis
Digital Innovations
#33 - 2014-02-04 18:25:00 UTC
J'Poll wrote:

Also...shame on the regurlars for not seeing and saying DO NOT DUAL TANK. Shield OR armor, not both. And certainly not hull unless you know what you are doing.


I did Lol

Eve will make you work a solid month all on your own for your first cookie. Then kick you in the nuts and take that cookie, and laugh at you for thinking you could have a cookie at all.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-02-04 18:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
Eve is a series of mistakes.

You will continue making them. They will get more and more expensive. Almost all of them will be possible to prevent with just a bit of mental effort, but you will not.

Some mistakes only have to be made once to be memorable. Others will take several occurrences before they sink in. The key is...are you still having fun?

If you are anything like me, you will:

-Lose several ships to the tutorials
-Lose a ship to sleeper drones
-Lose a ship while "seeing the sights" in lowsec
-Lose a ship to a bubble camp in null sec
-Lose a ship to players in wormhole space
-Lose a dozen more ships to being in the wrong place at the wrong time even though you know better
-Lose a ship because you forgot to overheat
-Lose a ship because you overheated too long and burned out your modules
-Lose a ship because you forgot it was active tanked and never activated your modules
-Kill a ship! And then lose a ship because you stuck around too long to loot the wreck.
-Lose a ship with an awful fit
-Lose a ship because you just had to buy something in lowsec
-Lose an expensive ship because you thought level 1-3 missions were easy and didn't respect level 4s
-Lose a ship because you jumped through the gate before the FC said to
-Lose a ship because you got polarized on a wormhole
-Lose all your friend's ships because you made a bad fleet warp

Welcome to EVE. If you stick around long enough you'll probably get to see me lose a capital ship for a stupid reason. Big smile

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#35 - 2014-02-04 18:50:10 UTC
Dkeh Weis wrote:
J'Poll wrote:

Also...shame on the regurlars for not seeing and saying DO NOT DUAL TANK. Shield OR armor, not both. And certainly not hull unless you know what you are doing.


I did Lol


So did I.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#36 - 2014-02-04 18:50:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
If he was this irate over losing a cheap ship in a mission tutorial, imagine his rage when:

1.) He falls for a Margin trade scam, thinking he's about to make 100m isk off a 300m isk purchase, only to spend his 300m isk on a worthless item.

2.) He gets his Carrier killed trying to jump through a gate into highsec.

3.) He falls for the "station trade scam bug", and trades away a Vindicator for 1k isk instead of 1b isk.

4.) He puts all his mission hub loot into an iteron V and gets suicide ganked on the way to Jita.

5.) He buys a Caldari Navy Raven on contracts, only to learn he actually bought a regular Raven for a CNR price.

7.) He attempts to join Goonswarm and loses his "security" deposit.

8.) He goes out roaming for a fight, and gets hotdropped by a 10 man gang and ganked.

This should be a good show!
Orin Wright
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-02-04 19:32:06 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

8.) He goes out roaming for a fight, and gets hotdropped by a 10 man gang and ganked.

This should be a good show!


I was part of a 15 Man Frigate Gank Fleet and we wound up taking out around 500mil worth of ships before it ended. It was fraking awesome.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#38 - 2014-02-04 19:41:00 UTC
Orin Wright wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

8.) He goes out roaming for a fight, and gets hotdropped by a 10 man gang and ganked.

This should be a good show!


I was part of a 15 Man Frigate Gank Fleet and we wound up taking out around 500mil worth of ships before it ended. It was fraking awesome.


Glad to hear it! You can do a lot of damage with lowcost ships, and it can be much fun doing so, regardless of how you come home!
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#39 - 2014-02-04 19:51:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Cara Forelli

If you are anything like me, you will:

[u wrote:
-Lose several ships to the tutorials
-Lose a ship to sleeper drones
-Lose a ship while "seeing the sights" in lowsec
-Lose a ship to a bubble camp in null sec
-Lose a ship to players in wormhole space
-Lose a dozen more ships to being in the wrong place at the wrong time even though you know better
-Lose a ship because you forgot to overheat[/u]
-Lose a ship because you overheated too long and burned out your modules
-Lose a ship because you forgot it was active tanked and never activated your modules
-Kill a ship! And then lose a ship because you stuck around too long to loot the wreck.
-Lose a ship with an awful fit
-Lose a ship because you just had to buy something in lowsec
-Lose an expensive ship because you thought level 1-3 missions were easy and didn't respect level 4s
-Lose a ship because you jumped through the gate before the FC said to
-Lose a ship because you got polarized on a wormhole
-Lose all your friend's ships because you made a bad fleet warp


Have done all the ones underlined and didn't whine about it once, my Corp mates slag me about it all the time , that's part of the fun of eve.

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Qalix
Long Jump.
#40 - 2014-02-04 19:56:01 UTC
Frustration is fine. And natural for EVE.

However, some protips:

Do not show weakness or anger on teh forums. You will not find sympathy. What you want are answers and instruction. Framing things as rants will not get you what you need. It will, however, provide amusement for the troll types.

Read, read, read, read, read, read, read. EVE rewards research and preparation. When in doubt, google "eve online [insert term]" or go straight to the Uni Wiki.

When reading mission info, pay attention. Very careful attention. I've done the tutorials many times (for alts). You shouldn't die in any of them except the intentional suicide one, as long as you're reading the instructions carefully. If you are the type who prefers to trial and error to reading instructions or doing research, you will find success difficult to obtain.

Perhaps the single most important thing to remember at the start of EVE is that it's core design is not like other MMOs. There is nothing directly analagous to "starting areas." There is no ramp up of events, missions, etc that silently guides you through an unspoken training regime. For example, in GW2, you get one new skill at a time and you get to know how it works because that's all you have and everything you're up against is geared to that. Because of this difference, see my second comment: read, read, read.

Unfortunately, EVE's design is not noob friendly and CCP has never quite been able to address the gaps in knowledge. Some people will pretend like this is a strength of EVE ("no hand holding"). The reality is that it's just poor design. Part of staying with EVE and getting something out of it is learning how to persevere even when the odds are all against you. It's totally doable, even solo, as long as you READ.