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Flickering after 04/02/2014 [Fixed 06/02/2014]

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Greasy Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#221 - 2014-02-05 05:17:12 UTC
Same issue here, Mint 16/wine 1.7.10, NVIDIA drivers.
Logen Kain
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#222 - 2014-02-05 05:38:04 UTC
May as well chime in myself.

Archlinux
AMD 7950
wine 1.7.11-1

Flickering and what not.

Unsubbed until I can play again. Hopefully it is fixed (READ: reversed) over DT.
Cap'n Schmitty
#223 - 2014-02-05 05:47:12 UTC
There have only been two dev posts in the entire Linux forum since May 2013... kinda makes me wonder if they even lurk this one regularly/have seen this thread at all.
Andris Arickson
Event Horizon Expeditionaries
The Watchmen.
#224 - 2014-02-05 06:30:36 UTC
Same here, Fedora latest, Nvidia driver hasn't changed since the day before :)

Planetary Interaction windows are sometimes transparent and missing details but you can still click on the buttons to do stuff to your planet set up.

Sidebar icons flicker crazy like.

ISIS is a crazy person's nightmare of flickering mess.

Exact same accounts are just fine under Windows 7 (yuck)
Prannon
Big Gay Energy
#225 - 2014-02-05 06:40:28 UTC
Confirming this issue on the following specs:


Card: NVIDIA Corporation GF104 [GeForce GTX 460 SE]

Driver: 331.20-3

OS: Fedora 19 -- Linux 3.12.5-200.fc19.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 17 22:21:14 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Wine Version: wine-1.7.5

Logging into the character selection screen and the UI is flickering heavily. Logging into the game and the UI is flickering heavily as well. Chat windows appear fine.

When undocking into space, the HUD is also flickering heavily as well as ship module icons.
AugustuSS Karro
Crimea-Karro Corporation
#226 - 2014-02-05 06:41:52 UTC
Confirmed.

- Intel® Core™ i5 3.00 - 2320 x4
- DDR3 - 12GB (Dual).
- openSUSE 13.1 - x-86_64.
- Kernel 3.11.6
- Nvidia GT-430 ddr3 1024 mb Gainward.
- Drivers 331.38
- Display resolution 1920x1080
- Wine 1.7.11 x-86_64

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winetricks.log

corefonts
d3dx9_36
vcrun2005
vcrun2008
vcrun2010

Psychedemic
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#227 - 2014-02-05 06:47:00 UTC
I really hope this gets fixed very soon...
Rowan Mahler
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#228 - 2014-02-05 07:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rowan Mahler
Fedora 17
AMD FX-8350
GeForce GTX 660/PCIe/SSE2
NVIDIA Driver version 331.38

wine-1.5.29
corefonts
d3dx9_36
vcrun2005
vcrun2008
vcrun2010
d3dx9
vcrun6sp6
vcrun6sp6

Issues Confirmed.

Although this household runs on linux alone, it's times like these that I am tempted to install Microsoft products. Compatibility issues aside , I'll still take my OSS running RBAC over widely used but poorly written proprietary software, DAC and all the security woes that come with it.

CCP DEV's: I love the game, but I've got multiple accounts idling. Please make with the patching!
Rammix
TheMurk
#229 - 2014-02-05 07:12:02 UTC
Same.

openSUSE 13.1
3.11.6-4-desktop
wine-1.7.11

Nvidia geforce gtx 560 Ti
drivers 331.38
AMD phenom II x6 1055T

OpenSUSE Leap 42.1, wine >1.9

Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread

Calebus Phobeus
Eternal Seekers of Darkness
#230 - 2014-02-05 07:56:36 UTC
Just another Fedora user affected and guess doesn't make much sense to post another specification. I think this issue shows quite clearly why multi-platform projects are having clear benefits as an issue on one system might occur rarely or hidden on another. Windows users then wondering for random crashs. There are quite some linux users in this thread... another three acounts here and CCP is seriously not able to put at least a single guy out there having a wine running with at least the latest specifications and giving it before release a shoot? I can understand if there are issue that occur somewhere hidden, but in the login screen and all over disco lights after that shall be quite easy to catch. If we are not getting a native client, then please give us at least some most basic support...
Psychedemic
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#231 - 2014-02-05 08:11:32 UTC
Calebus Phobeus wrote:
Just another Fedora user affected and guess doesn't make much sense to post another specification. I think this issue shows quite clearly why multi-platform projects are having clear benefits as an issue on one system might occur rarely or hidden on another. Windows users then wondering for random crashs. There are quite some linux users in this thread... another three acounts here and CCP is seriously not able to put at least a single guy out there having a wine running with at least the latest specifications and giving it before release a shoot? I can understand if there are issue that occur somewhere hidden, but in the login screen and all over disco lights after that shall be quite easy to catch. If we are not getting a native client, then please give us at least some most basic support...


You cannot expect them to test every patch in Wine.
You can't even expect to even be able to run the game in Wine.

The fact that devs actually made a Linux forum and are watching it tells a lot about CCP. Not a lot of devs do this.

They will fix the issue, just be patient.
Zail Kring
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#232 - 2014-02-05 08:34:48 UTC
Psychedemic wrote:
Calebus Phobeus wrote:
Just another Fedora user affected and guess doesn't make much sense to post another specification. I think this issue shows quite clearly why multi-platform projects are having clear benefits as an issue on one system might occur rarely or hidden on another. Windows users then wondering for random crashs. There are quite some linux users in this thread... another three acounts here and CCP is seriously not able to put at least a single guy out there having a wine running with at least the latest specifications and giving it before release a shoot? I can understand if there are issue that occur somewhere hidden, but in the login screen and all over disco lights after that shall be quite easy to catch. If we are not getting a native client, then please give us at least some most basic support...


You cannot expect them to test every patch in Wine.
You can't even expect to even be able to run the game in Wine.

The fact that devs actually made a Linux forum and are watching it tells a lot about CCP. Not a lot of devs do this.

They will fix the issue, just be patient.


I have yet to see a single post by CCP, acknowledging the issue at hand. So at this point you can't really say they're monitoring this forum. There haven't been a great many posts by CCP on here anyways. And why is it that they can't have a single machine running Wine just to test if the new build works at all? Why is that so impossible? It's true that Linux users aren't a vast majority but we're paying customers and we expect to fly internet spaceships just like everyone else.
Phantianos Mayak
Perkone
Caldari State
#233 - 2014-02-05 08:35:35 UTC
Psychedemic wrote:


They will fix the issue, just be patient.


Be Patient ! Indeed.

In fact, CCP doesn't support GNU/Linux, but, they accept their money, the money of the gamers who prefer GNU/Linux and don't want to pay for an archaic operating system. I play Eve on a GNU/Linux Machine, and I just have those Operating System. CCP do some tests before introducing a patch. And they don't care about GNU/Linux users, but, they accept the price we put in the game. Furthermore, this bug impact some Windows & Mac users.

Yes, it's a game, but it's a lot of money by the world. So CCP don't have to play with our money.

If I pay 2 days late, I have 2 days without access to the Eve World. But, if they inject a patch that is not functionning, and make my game unreachable, YOU say : "be patient"... No, no, no. If they make my game unreachable, they must compensate for the days I can't connect, or play correctly (I say play correctly, but here, I can't play anymore).

Please, Psychedemic, pay attention about the word you use. Yes, I will wait for a patch, and I hope they will fix the issue rapidely. But I don't want to be patient, I pay, I would receive what I pay for.

If you say : "OMG, it's just for GNU/Linux users", I would remind you that Mac and some Windows users have the same problem.

I can accept that a mistake is made, not that one mocks me, by the fact "just be patient".

Best regards
Psychedemic
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#234 - 2014-02-05 08:45:55 UTC
They have been very linux-friendly in the recent past considering they don't officially support it. That's all I'm saying.

If CCP wasn't doing things to help Wine users, you would most likely not be able to play the game at all.

My point is, your argument
Quote:
we're paying customers and we expect to fly internet spaceships just like everyone else.
is invalid, as it's not officially supported. You're paying for software made for Windows and OS X.
Z'zauoe Euopaeqorua
Doomheim
#235 - 2014-02-05 08:53:54 UTC
Same here. Xubuntu 13.10 and Wine 1.6. AMD crap.
Z'zauoe Euopaeqorua
Doomheim
#236 - 2014-02-05 08:56:28 UTC
I doubt that they will do anything to this since they do not support linux.

Atleast I can change skills, before my new gaming PC arrives with Titan Roll
Mycael
Perkone
Caldari State
#237 - 2014-02-05 09:03:10 UTC
Z'zauoe Euopaeqorua wrote:
I doubt that they will do anything to this since they do not support linux.

Atleast I can change skills, before my new gaming PC arrives with Titan Roll


True, but whatever is causing this, is causing issues with some windows-users aswell. So we can hope that whatever they do to fix that, helps us too.
Loki Angrboda
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2014-02-05 09:14:53 UTC
Psychedemic wrote:
They have been very linux-friendly in the recent past considering they don't officially support it. That's all I'm saying.

If CCP wasn't doing things to help Wine users, you would most likely not be able to play the game at all.

My point is, your argument
Quote:
we're paying customers and we expect to fly internet spaceships just like everyone else.
is invalid, as it's not officially supported. You're paying for software made for Windows and OS X.


Not at all. Once, there was Linux Support: http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/11565
I'm new, but some friends are playing since the good old linux days. They have invested time and money, because the game was running on linux. So, it is not completley correct. If you remove a complete platform from your support-matrix, you would make the customers angry. So they decieded to offer alternatives: Run through wine. I would consider this as supported ( see the linked, official, mail from Arend Stührmann.
Atticus Routhe
#239 - 2014-02-05 09:24:48 UTC
Just posting to say I've got the same issues as described by the OP.

Running Linux Mint 16
Wine 1.7.10 / 1.7.11
GTX670 with Nvidia's 331.20 drivers
Using PlayOnLinux

Very frustrating, but at least managed to add skills to the queue. Roll
Mycael
Perkone
Caldari State
#240 - 2014-02-05 09:30:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mycael
Loki Angrboda wrote:
Psychedemic wrote:
They have been very linux-friendly in the recent past considering they don't officially support it. That's all I'm saying.

If CCP wasn't doing things to help Wine users, you would most likely not be able to play the game at all.

My point is, your argument
Quote:
we're paying customers and we expect to fly internet spaceships just like everyone else.
is invalid, as it's not officially supported. You're paying for software made for Windows and OS X.


Not at all. Once, there was Linux Support: http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/11565
I'm new, but some friends are playing since the good old linux days. They have invested time and money, because the game was running on linux. So, it is not completley correct. If you remove a complete platform from your support-matrix, you would make the customers angry. So they decieded to offer alternatives: Run through wine. I would consider this as supported ( see the linked, official, mail from Arend Stührmann.


The point is still invalid. I know, I know, I get your point here too. But still, your current monthly payments do not include official support for linux, so do not expect CCP to change their code in anyway just so it would work with wine. They will fix the issue that is causing windows-clients to not work properly, by testing it on windows only.

Edit - This thread is not about CCP's lack of linux support, so let's get back to finding out the cause of this flickering and other issues(unless it gets fixed in couple hours with possible DT patching...)