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changes to the hyperions bonus

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Jakk Lemmont
oo STAIINLESS STEEL RATS oo
#1 - 2011-11-09 20:28:14 UTC
I believe the 7.5% armor repair bonus the hyperion has is counter-productive to its intended role so I suggest it should be changed to something else. I suggest instead of the repair bonus the hyperion should gain a 2 to 5 % bonus to micro warp drive strength per level. Any thoughts or suggestions will be helpfulBig smile

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Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#2 - 2011-11-09 20:48:18 UTC
Not a bad thought, but you're forgetting about the PVE-ers
With it's Rep-bonus, the Hype is a Great L4 boat.

Unfortunately, it makes the Hype less-versatile for PVP.
I've seen some nice dual-rep (and sometimes triple-rep) fits that can tank awesome, but they lack good DPS.

IMO some of the best fits for the Hype are shield-nano set-ups.
The're fast, have an OK tank, and do pretty-good damage.
Unfortunately it's a complete waste of the armor rep bonus.
(So is fitting a passive armor tank on her.)

Maybe a good middle-ground would be to give her armor resist bonuses like the Abaddon?
That way you get something more useful for PVP and something that still works for PVE.

If you want more speed, I'm with you!
We have been discussing the "hybrid fix" in another thread, and this has come-up over and over.
Hybrid ships need more speed!
I suggested adding a bonus dirrectly to hybrid turrets that boosts the speed (or agility) of the ship that fits them.

Projectiles have:
No cap-use
Selectable dmg types
ACs have huge fall-off
Artys have huge optimal

Lasers have:
Instant change ammo
No ammo-use
Scorch

What do Hybrids have?
....
......
.......

How about a speed bonus? :)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#3 - 2011-11-09 20:54:14 UTC
Absolutely not. This would ruin the Hype for work under sentry fire. If you're that hard up for extra speed, ask for a base speed/agility boost to the hull. Or better yet, ask for an extra low slot so you can fit an istab or nano or OD.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Jakk Lemmont
oo STAIINLESS STEEL RATS oo
#4 - 2011-11-09 20:54:51 UTC
The resistance bonus is a good thought but I never really considered the hype for a pve boat.
But I agree with the speed thought though I don't know how a turret would make your ship go fasterShocked

I never expect much from people for they always find a way to disappoint me.

Goose99
#5 - 2011-11-09 21:06:27 UTC
Hype has no roles. It's a 110m/s base speed slowboat (one of the slowest subcap in existence) with high mass and 6 lows. Rep bonus can be useful... if you give it 8 lows like a real armor BS.
Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#6 - 2011-11-09 23:20:09 UTC
Jakk Lemmont wrote:
The resistance bonus is a good thought but I never really considered the hype for a pve boat.
But I agree with the speed thought though I don't know how a turret would make your ship go fasterShocked


The Hype is very under-estimated and under-appreciated for PVE. I think there is a lot of mis-information spread-around on forums and battleclinic, etc. If someone reads that the Hype is bad at PVE, they just assume it must be true, and don't try for themselves, and start telling everyone that the Hype sucks. If you're curious about what I mean check this thread-out:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26745
As long as it could still tank L4s about the same (with resists instead of repper-bonus), I think it would be an improvement.

How does a turret make your ship go faster?

Logically, it doesn't make any sense lol!

For game balance however, I think it could be a very good fix for Hybrid ships.

I think if you sit-back and think about a lot of the stuff in EVE, you will realize, there is very little that makes sense logically.

Like,
"How come I need to keep my ab/mwd turned-on to maintain high-speed?"
In reality, spaceships will coast forever unless they run-into something or are effected by something's gravity.

EVE physics is a joke, but that's ok cause it's a fun-game.

Maybe Hybrids constantly vent exhaust from gun-blasts to the rear of the ship to speed-it-up. LOL!

Or maybe Hybrids use less power to on-line and fire so the ship has more left-over for the engines! (Hey! That actually sounds some-what logical! lol!)
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-11-09 23:45:30 UTC
The fun of the hyperion is repping thousands of HP worth of armor every cycle with drugs and basically trolling whoever you're fighting by being unkillable for a very long period of time.
draconothese
Independant Celestial Enterprises
#8 - 2011-11-10 02:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: draconothese
have to say i rather like the hyperion bonus i would leave it alone that armor tank is crazy stupid tripple reped and makes it vary much a pain in the butt

see what i did there Big smile
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-11-10 02:41:14 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Absolutely not. This would ruin the Hype for work under sentry fire. If you're that hard up for extra speed, ask for a base speed/agility boost to the hull. Or better yet, ask for an extra low slot so you can fit an istab or nano or OD.

-Liang



still say that the damn thing should've got a RoF bonus on top of the damage one tho.P

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Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-10 02:53:22 UTC
-1 mid
+1 low
+25 bandwidth (for 5th heavy) and +50 drone bay (5 lights, 5 heavies capacity)

Please? :D

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?

Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-10 04:52:06 UTC
Desudes wrote:
-1 mid
+1 low
+25 bandwidth (for 5th heavy) and +50 drone bay (5 lights, 5 heavies capacity)

Please? :D



Hell noBig smile

That would kill my speed fits.I like the Hype more or less how it is, I can either fly it with reppers or I can fly it with shields.

I say more speed boost, it only got 5% ....it should have got the full 10% the Mega got was well.
Heun zero
MAYHEM BOYZ
#12 - 2011-11-10 09:44:38 UTC
draconothese wrote:
have to say i rather like the hyperion bonus i would leave it alone that armor tank is crazy stupid tripple reped and makes it vary much a pain in the butt

see what i did there Big smile



you made a joke about a ship being a pain in the butt and has the looks of a dildo. I see what you did there
Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#13 - 2011-11-10 19:03:34 UTC
I'm glad you cleared that-up.
Thanks...

Desudes wrote:
-1 mid
+1 low
+25 bandwidth (for 5th heavy) and +50 drone bay (5 lights, 5 heavies capacity)

Please? :D


Sounds like a Navy Mega would be perfect for you.
It doesn't have 8 guns, but has 8 lows, so you get a "free" mag-stab.

Yeah, let's NOT take a Mid-away from the Hype, that would ruin-it for me too.
Goose99
#14 - 2011-11-10 19:06:23 UTC
Sydney Nelson wrote:
I'm glad you cleared that-up.
Thanks...

Desudes wrote:
-1 mid
+1 low
+25 bandwidth (for 5th heavy) and +50 drone bay (5 lights, 5 heavies capacity)

Please? :D


Sounds like a Navy Mega would be perfect for you.
It doesn't have 8 guns, but has 8 lows, so you get a "free" mag-stab.

Yeah, let's NOT take a Mid-away from the Hype, that would ruin-it for me too.


To be different from mega, give hyperion +2 lows and -2 mids, for 8 lows. More gank/speed is exactly what blasterboat needs.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-11-10 19:55:17 UTC
Shivus Tao wrote:
The fun of the hyperion is repping thousands of HP worth of armor every cycle with drugs and basically trolling whoever you're fighting by being unkillable for a very long period of time.


Unless you're fighting against 2 or 3 canes you barely hit, sucking your cap, and pummelling you while watching youtube Lol
Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#16 - 2011-11-10 23:58:19 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Sydney Nelson wrote:
I'm glad you cleared that-up.
Thanks...

Desudes wrote:
-1 mid
+1 low
+25 bandwidth (for 5th heavy) and +50 drone bay (5 lights, 5 heavies capacity)

Please? :D


Sounds like a Navy Mega would be perfect for you.
It doesn't have 8 guns, but has 8 lows, so you get a "free" mag-stab.

Yeah, let's NOT take a Mid-away from the Hype, that would ruin-it for me too.


To be different from mega, give hyperion +2 lows and -2 mids, for 8 lows. More gank/speed is exactly what blasterboat needs.


The reason most people (who ACTUALLY fly it) love the Hype so much is because of its versatillity.
For PVP you can fit a nice dual-rep, and need the mids for dual cap-boosters.
You can shield tank-it and fit Nanos, and Magstabs in the lows for lots of gank and decent tank.

For PVE you can fit 2 TCs, 2 Cap-rechargers, and an AB. 2 TCs is what makes the Hype shine in missions.
You can do big damage at long-range with all that optimal. When the stuff is in-close, switch to tracking-speed and nail-em.

Do NOT take-away my Hype's mids!
Do NOT!

If you want 8 lows, use a Navy Mega. If you want 8 lows, 8 guns, and 3 mids, fly Amarr.
That is all...
Goose99
#17 - 2011-11-11 00:57:17 UTC
Sydney Nelson wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Sydney Nelson wrote:
I'm glad you cleared that-up.
Thanks...

Desudes wrote:
-1 mid
+1 low
+25 bandwidth (for 5th heavy) and +50 drone bay (5 lights, 5 heavies capacity)

Please? :D


Sounds like a Navy Mega would be perfect for you.
It doesn't have 8 guns, but has 8 lows, so you get a "free" mag-stab.

Yeah, let's NOT take a Mid-away from the Hype, that would ruin-it for me too.


To be different from mega, give hyperion +2 lows and -2 mids, for 8 lows. More gank/speed is exactly what blasterboat needs.


The reason most people (who ACTUALLY fly it) love the Hype so much is because of its versatillity.
For PVP you can fit a nice dual-rep, and need the mids for dual cap-boosters.
You can shield tank-it and fit Nanos, and Magstabs in the lows for lots of gank and decent tank.

For PVE you can fit 2 TCs, 2 Cap-rechargers, and an AB. 2 TCs is what makes the Hype shine in missions.
You can do big damage at long-range with all that optimal. When the stuff is in-close, switch to tracking-speed and nail-em.

Do NOT take-away my Hype's mids!
Do NOT!

If you want 8 lows, use a Navy Mega. If you want 8 lows, 8 guns, and 3 mids, fly Amarr.
That is all...


There is no versatility when it has 5 mids and 6 lows, which is not enough of either for any purpose. It doesn't have enough lows for both dmg and speed mods, not enough mids for both shield tank and tackle after prop. It fails. It's a hyperion. And yes, this is why ppl fly Amar and not Hype.Roll
Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#18 - 2011-11-11 21:08:26 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Sydney Nelson wrote:
Goose99 wrote:

To be different from mega, give hyperion +2 lows and -2 mids, for 8 lows. More gank/speed is exactly what blasterboat needs.


The reason most people (who ACTUALLY fly it) love the Hype so much is because of its versatillity.
For PVP you can fit a nice dual-rep, and need the mids for dual cap-boosters.
You can shield tank-it and fit Nanos, and Magstabs in the lows for lots of gank and decent tank.

For PVE you can fit 2 TCs, 2 Cap-rechargers, and an AB. 2 TCs is what makes the Hype shine in missions.
You can do big damage at long-range with all that optimal. When the stuff is in-close, switch to tracking-speed and nail-em.

Do NOT take-away my Hype's mids!
Do NOT!

If you want 8 lows, use a Navy Mega. If you want 8 lows, 8 guns, and 3 mids, fly Amarr.
That is all...


There is no versatility when it has 5 mids and 6 lows, which is not enough of either for any purpose. It doesn't have enough lows for both dmg and speed mods, not enough mids for both shield tank and tackle after prop. It fails. It's a hyperion. And yes, this is why ppl fly Amar and not Hype.Roll


Not enough for dmg and speed mods??!
Use 3 for Mag-stabs and have 3 left-over for Nanos/Ods, and a DMG control.
You can even go 4 Mag-Stabs if you want more gank and sacrifice a little speed.
It will still be WAY faster than any other armor-tanked ship.

A good shield nano fit works really well on the Hype. Faster than most BSs, more DPS than most, the only draw-back is EHP.
For solo/small-gang, fit a dual-rep and you have enough mids left-over for tackle.
If you have dedicated tackle, you can fit shield-nano and have something fast with LOTS of DPS.
Saying the Hype doesn't have enough mids is silly. It's just common sense, if you don't have dedicated tackle, you will have to sacrifice a slot or two for tackle, and sacrifice some tank. In that situation, you should go dual-rep with 2 cap boosters.
If you have a tackler, then you can fit a very respectable shield-tank.

Most people who don't like the Hype, just dont know how to fit it right.
I think if you ask-around, you will find lots of people who like the Hype's slot lay-out just the way it is.

You're suggesting dropping-it down to 3 mids and then complaining-about it not having enough slots to fit a decent tackle.
3 mids and 8 lows isn't going to give you more gank/speed. You will have to fill the lows with tank if you're going to have any chance of surviving anything. That leaves no-room for speed AND dmg mods.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#19 - 2011-11-12 00:33:33 UTC
I actually think it's over-droned. I would vote for...

- Add an extra +1 low
- Nerf drones down to 25mb bandwidth (5 lights)
- Inc grid so it can fit neutrons + dual rep.

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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#20 - 2011-11-12 20:15:48 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Hype has no roles. It's a 110m/s base speed slowboat (one of the slowest subcap in existence) with high mass and 6 lows. Rep bonus can be useful... if you give it 8 lows like a real armor BS.


110 m/s is relatively fast for a tech 1 bs. Only the typhoon and tempest are faster (out of the 11 other bs in the category).
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