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The Post-Oxytopes World

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trance atlas
End Game Crew
#101 - 2011-11-14 15:24:19 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
And when that runs out, then what?


sell capital ready char and capital ship

buy cheaper amarr capital pilot

buy helium topes
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#102 - 2011-11-14 15:50:58 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:


blahblah, any more generalizations and I'd be a charicature!



The bot population in gallente ice fields has dropped to near 0. Bot operators aren't stupid (Exhibit 1: they use a bot to do the most boring job in the game!) and once they saw entire exhumer fleets wiped out and the interdiction announced they upped stakes and went off to less explodey pastures. That was week 1.
The vast majority of ships killed since then have had poor, pitiable humans at the controls.

Also, lol at you thinking we sit in the belt like a cheeto-stained spider waiting for prey. The reality is more...fluid than that.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#103 - 2011-11-14 15:54:24 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
What about the people running around with gallente carriers, dreads, supercarriers and titans?
Oh, I almost forgot, gallente JF and rorquals.

A fair question, albeit not an easy one to answer due to the number of variables.

Take the total number of active Gallente and ORE ships in each jump drive class, multiply by the amount of oxytopes consumed per ship class per ly, and then multiply by the average number of ly traveled per day per ship. Tweak down the result by the estimated average jump skills of the pilots.

Sound about right? Is this number signficant as compared to Gallente/Serpentis POS fuel consumption?

For this argument's sake, lets say yes (although I doubt it).

Now, given that the majority of these ships are based and operate in null sec (and rarely in low sec), figure how much of the oxytopes for these ships are coming from blue ice in high sec vs. null sec. Also, keep in mind that JFs and black ops are the only jump drive ships which can actually enter high sec.

If the oxytopes are mostly coming from null sec sources, then the impact of the high sec ice interdiction will be close to zero.

If the oxytopes are mostly coming from high sec, then, yes, these jump drive pilots may be forced to buy oxytopes at the higher prices, assuming that they don't have stockpiles of oxytopes. Switching to other racial cap ships is obviously not as easy a solution as switching towers.

So, how many pilots does this actually affect? I don't know, but I really don't think the number is all that high.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2011-11-14 16:02:03 UTC
*writes wall of text about oxytopes*
*doesn't understand nullsec ice distribution*
*is this ^ ********
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2011-11-14 16:08:29 UTC
trance atlas wrote:
sell capital ready char and capital ship

buy cheaper amarr capital pilot

buy helium topes


*thinks he's clever*
*doesn't notice massive flaw in his logic*
*is this ^ ********
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2011-11-14 16:28:58 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
ISKies

Oh no you didn't.

trance atlas wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
And when that runs out, then what?

sell capital ready char and capital ship

buy cheaper amarr capital pilot

buy helium topes

Sounds like the interdiction would work, then. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#107 - 2011-11-14 16:32:17 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
What about the people running around with gallente carriers, dreads, supercarriers and titans?

after i got my Thanny i bought some amount of fuel. It's like 100-200k of isotopes.... Still using this amount....


yeah but most people actually jump theirs around instead of sanctuming 24/7, you see sanctuming 24/7 doesn't burn fuel

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#108 - 2011-11-14 16:32:48 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
then i will buy it from our miners. Or mine by myself... Just for fun.
don't worry: ISKies will not leave this corp Lol

i think i will need more fuel in like 3-4 months.....


you actually suggested mining for fun holy jesus

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
trance atlas
End Game Crew
#109 - 2011-11-14 17:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: trance atlas
Elise DarkStar wrote:
trance atlas wrote:
sell capital ready char and capital ship

buy cheaper amarr capital pilot

buy helium topes


*thinks he's clever*
*doesn't notice massive flaw in his logic*
*is this ^ ********



is the flaw lack of bullet points and number 3 being ?????? profit

edit if i was "trying" to be clever why would i post a flawless idea?

your like a bad troll/ bad posting me who posts bad and cant troll

who posts
trance atlas
End Game Crew
#110 - 2011-11-14 18:03:21 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
ISKies

Oh no you didn't.

trance atlas wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
And when that runs out, then what?

sell capital ready char and capital ship

buy cheaper amarr capital pilot

buy helium topes

Sounds like the interdiction would work, then. vOv


if the plan was to make people not be affected in a negative light because they bypassed your embargo on BARTER TOWN(which is run by master blaster). then yes you won?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#111 - 2011-11-14 18:05:30 UTC
trance atlas wrote:
Elise DarkStar wrote:
trance atlas wrote:
sell capital ready char and capital ship

buy cheaper amarr capital pilot

buy helium topes


*thinks he's clever*
*doesn't notice massive flaw in his logic*
*is this ^ ********



is the flaw lack of bullet points and number 3 being ?????? profit

edit if i was "trying" to be clever why would i post a flawless idea?

your like a bad troll/ bad posting me who posts bad and cant troll

who posts


no theres a p. massive problem in your proposal that anyone with a brain can see easily

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#112 - 2011-11-14 18:07:31 UTC
JitaJane wrote:
Elise DarkStar wrote:
People are failing to grasp the greater significance of the first successful and sustained act of market terrorism.

First? Every time you see a merc corp contracted to harsh an indy corp it is likely because they stepped on someone's margins. This might count as the loudest most obvious example.....

Far indeed from the first, and many have been running now for several years - but the most successful market manipulators aren't foolish enough to brag in public about what they are doing.

And, in any case, this attempt can only be classified as loud, not successful. PVPers define success in terms of ships destroyed or tears generated, but they just don't get the fact that, in the markets, success is measured by how much ISK you actually made, not how much ISK you managed to destroy or prevent someone else from making. I'm sure that the Goons will also claim to have made hundreds of billions of ISK, but just a quick look at the markets shows that most of their sell orders are still up and moving glacier slow. A noob monopolist mistake, but, hopefully, they will learn and do better next time.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2011-11-14 18:08:57 UTC
Better to double-down on the stupid instead of going back and taking a second look.

Pro posting.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#114 - 2011-11-14 18:09:26 UTC
also update: as of this morning prices have stablized (for now) around 1250, while the total on the market is ~1/3rd of that of nitrotopes (which I am using as a comparison to a healthy market), at 83m units, up from 53m. this is approximately 3 days supply based on the lowest reasonable estimate of daily use

this is largely the result of a massive drain of all oxytopes from other regions being drawn into jita and relisted; there is little indication of speculative stockpiles appearing

also the brape ice field was littered with WOOTINATOR wrecks this weekend

~~wootles~~

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#115 - 2011-11-14 18:11:09 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
JitaJane wrote:
Elise DarkStar wrote:
People are failing to grasp the greater significance of the first successful and sustained act of market terrorism.

First? Every time you see a merc corp contracted to harsh an indy corp it is likely because they stepped on someone's margins. This might count as the loudest most obvious example.....

Far indeed from the first, and many have been running now for several years - but the most successful market manipulators aren't foolish enough to brag in public about what they are doing.

And, in any case, this attempt can only be classified as loud, not successful. PVPers define success in terms of ships destroyed or tears generated, but they just don't get the fact that, in the markets, success is measured by how much ISK you actually made, not how much ISK you managed to destroy or prevent someone else from making. I'm sure that the Goons will also claim to have made hundreds of billions of ISK, but just a quick look at the markets shows that most of their sell orders are still up and moving glacier slow. A noob monopolist mistake, but, hopefully, they will learn and do better next time.


yes, many goonswarm orders at absolutely hilarious prices are still on the market

and they're probably going to sell this weekend as random goonswarm members who have no idea what a market manipulation is make more money off one trade than you do in months~~~

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
trance atlas
End Game Crew
#116 - 2011-11-14 18:11:35 UTC
Elise DarkStar wrote:
Better to double-down on the stupid instead of going back and taking a second look.

Pro posting.



not sure if serious .avi
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#117 - 2011-11-14 18:14:50 UTC
also "most sucessful market manipulators" are tiny gnats pleased when they move a middling market 5% flitting around as we stomp one of the most traded markets in eve into rubble and triple the price so far in a raw exercise of power

your pathetic demand-based manipulation attempts have nothing on the raw power of a supply interdiction

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#118 - 2011-11-14 18:15:33 UTC
you are blowing up that mountain all wrong, as you can see by my advanced 'moving a pile of sand while only eating most of it' skills

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#119 - 2011-11-14 18:16:57 UTC
and suggesting that secrecy is valuble in a supply interdiction based on terror intimidation and destruction is priceless

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
jm24
CRICE Corp
#120 - 2011-11-14 18:36:06 UTC
The ceiling on acceptable isotope price may be touched upon during this interdiction. For far too long isotope prices have been set at prices that were not proportionate to their true value. At what price will isotope prices become a deterrent to using the corresponding racial capital ships? For now people seem content with paying 1500, but will that change upwards of 2000?

Another question is will the price not actually recede, and will other isotopes actually rise to match the markets willingness to pay for isotopes. Perhaps this interdiction will have far reaching consequences beyond what is apparent.

For those not very current with the market, there is a burn rate of about 15m units from sells daily, with approx 4-5m supply (whether mined or from stockpiles). For now it seems like the sky is the limit for those patient holders. There does not seem to be any significant stockpiles left, or atleast not willing to sell below a threshold not yet reached.

In a word, this is exciting.