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The Post-Oxytopes World

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Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#41 - 2011-11-10 23:07:30 UTC
Weaselior wrote:


and by changing a few numbers in a database we unleashed a torrent of rage unseen in eve for years

that's pretty pr0, you try doing that by changing numbers in a database


*yawn*
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#42 - 2011-11-10 23:25:10 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Esan Vartesa wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I'm not sure what I enjoy more, making thousands of industrialists suffer, making thousands of miners suffer, or watching the pseudointellectuals in MD bleat about how nothing we're doing is having an impact.


Sometimes I get the impression that the Goons are far, far too proud of themselves for, you know, participating in a game like everybody else.

"Dude! Did you see how I moved my rook?! I'm so awesome! I've redefined the game of chess forevah!!"

Bravo. You made some numbers in a database change. Now go start another thread about it.


and by changing a few numbers in a database we unleashed a torrent of rage unseen in eve for years

that's pretty pr0, you try doing that by changing numbers in a database

Just let me at the IRS DB Blink
Plato Idari
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#43 - 2011-11-10 23:57:27 UTC
The numbers that my wallet refers to in the database have gone up; if anything I should thank you for your fine community service.
Tahna Rouspel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2011-11-11 00:39:17 UTC
Who cares if you gank Covetor, they're worth only a couple of millions and they mine 3/4 of a mackinaw. Covetors are disposable and pay for themselves quickly.

Just admit defeat already.
CEO Rockhound
suspended animations DOT
#45 - 2011-11-11 19:22:19 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Esan Vartesa wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I'm not sure what I enjoy more, making thousands of industrialists suffer, making thousands of miners suffer, or watching the pseudointellectuals in MD bleat about how nothing we're doing is having an impact.


Sometimes I get the impression that the Goons are far, far too proud of themselves for, you know, participating in a game like everybody else.

"Dude! Did you see how I moved my rook?! I'm so awesome! I've redefined the game of chess forevah!!"

Bravo. You made some numbers in a database change. Now go start another thread about it.


and by changing a few numbers in a database we unleashed a torrent of rage unseen in eve for years

that's pretty pr0, you try doing that by changing numbers in a database


Zombie Corp in Yulai....
TANK CEO in Amarr
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2011-11-11 20:12:25 UTC
Tahna Rouspel wrote:
Who cares if you gank Covetor, they're worth only a couple of millions and they mine 3/4 of a mackinaw. Covetors are disposable and pay for themselves quickly.

Just admit defeat already.

those covetors...slipping through our blockade...nooooooooooo

wonder why the price is still skyrocketing

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Sephiroth Clone VII
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2011-11-11 20:54:33 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
i see no reason to ever buy blue ice

and heres why


http://i.imgur.com/HOsaq.jpg


goons know nothing about buying cheap and stacking deep



Lot of stockpiles may exist but that is also weighed against consumption. If every player and his mother were still having gallente POS's burning fuel for moon material reactions for weeks after this ongoing fiasco, in addition to current use of gallente capitals that's going to burn into the supply. Doesn't matter how much you got, if demand of countless POS's and capitals is burning into supply like crazy.

Prices decreased a bit only because stockpiles were released. But ingoing supply is still dead, with demand still very strong so long term who knows how much it will rise. The carrier and super of choice is gallente, so that will not help, along with the ORE ships that use it.

The choice of oxygen was a very strategic choice, also, to end the siege of it would bring things back to normal, why would they ever want that. If they got the power to blockade all empire ice then they could consider that, but no reason to yield on the oxygen isotopes.

Anyone smart should have switched out gallente POS's a while ago to ammar, bite the 100% storage bonus for 50%. But yea....... this is long term, could get worse.
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2011-11-11 23:04:17 UTC
Congratulations,

everone makes this game miserably for everyone. Goonies were awesome teachers. So should it be. I don't believe someone is able to win this discussion. Bear
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-11-12 00:01:29 UTC
Well if you want to talk about the impact on other people's feelings then pack your bags and move it over to C&P. This is market forum. Your impact here was to change a couple of ratios on a spreadsheet. I know you are desperate for some sort of validation and lord knows I don't want to deny it to you but you are barking up the wrong tree. To a trader it's just a new ratio and our thing is to find out how to make it benefit us. Me I'm in hardware not fuel so i switched around my product line. It ain't rocket surgery.

90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed.

Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#50 - 2011-11-12 03:35:51 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
protip if you want to hide that your screenshot is in dodixie 9-20 Federation Navy Assembly Plant, do a better job redacting


actually I think he was trying to conceal his choice of OS.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2011-11-12 07:35:10 UTC
People are failing to grasp the greater significance of the first successful and sustained act of market terrorism.
Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
#52 - 2011-11-12 11:34:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Zelda Wei
Elise DarkStar wrote:
People are failing to grasp the greater significance of the first successful and sustained act of market terrorism.


Depends on who you mean by 'People', do the Goons themselves count? The significance is obvious to most here; economic warfare has been suggested/predicted/lamented for years and the real significance is entirely missed and ignored by those responsible in this case.

One definition of delusion is repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#53 - 2011-11-12 13:18:27 UTC
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:

Lot of stockpiles may exist but that is also weighed against consumption. If every player and his mother were still having gallente POS's burning fuel for moon material reactions for weeks after this ongoing fiasco, in addition to current use of gallente capitals that's going to burn into the supply. Doesn't matter how much you got, if demand of countless POS's and capitals is burning into supply like crazy.

Prices decreased a bit only because stockpiles were released. But ingoing supply is still dead, with demand still very strong so long term who knows how much it will rise. The carrier and super of choice is gallente, so that will not help, along with the ORE ships that use it.

The choice of oxygen was a very strategic choice, also, to end the siege of it would bring things back to normal, why would they ever want that. If they got the power to blockade all empire ice then they could consider that, but no reason to yield on the oxygen isotopes.

Anyone smart should have switched out gallente POS's a while ago to ammar, bite the 100% storage bonus for 50%. But yea....... this is long term, could get worse.


Which goes back to the original question. How big are the stockpiles and how long will Goons have to keep up this (rather boring) interdiction of all of the ice fields in Gallente space? (And Oxytope prices have been flat-lined at 900-1050 ISK/u for a few weeks now, hardly a "skyrocket".)

Some people predicted skyrocketing prices within a week or two (didn't really happen, most of that was market manipulation & speculation). Others predict 2-3 months at a minimum. There's also the strong possibility that large industrial folks, being somewhat paranoid about supply and probably swimming in ISK, keep 6-12 months of fuel on-hand in order to ride out bumps in the market or supply chain.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2011-11-12 15:16:44 UTC
Masamune Dekoro wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
protip if you want to hide that your screenshot is in dodixie 9-20 Federation Navy Assembly Plant, do a better job redacting


actually I think he was trying to conceal his choice of OS.

ahh that makes sense

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2011-11-12 15:39:44 UTC
Zelda Wei wrote:
Depends on who you mean by 'People', do the Goons themselves count? The significance is obvious to most here; economic warfare has been suggested/predicted/lamented for years and the real significance is entirely missed and ignored by those responsible in this case.

One definition of delusion is repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different result.


I don't consider this a valid response, and I would prefer it if you don't respond to me at all in the future if you can't summon even the semblance of a coherent interaction worthy of my time.

Thanks and good luck with your mental affliction.
Grim Savage
suspended animations DOT
#56 - 2011-11-12 15:41:14 UTC
So, if that screenshot is not a fake, someone gom 6 000 000 iceblocks???
That is 1.8 billion units of topes, enough to fuel jita for close to 2 months.

Now, since I believe this image to be from the test server i will still go ahead and change out my tower since only a ****** would sit on his stockpile in todays market.

6000000 / 100 macks = 60 000 blocks each
60 blocks an hour = 1000 hours
That means this would take 100 macrominers more than 40 days to mine.

Now that no macro is efficient, that is 4 months for 100 people mining 8 hours a day..


I do not think this pile exists.
I have however petitoned the person in question and asked CCP to check where (if it exists) that ICE came from, and if he has traded with know macrominers.
Pasha Masha
Doomheim
#57 - 2011-11-12 16:28:44 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
I'm not sure what I enjoy more, making thousands of industrialists suffer, making thousands of miners suffer, or watching the pseudointellectuals in MD bleat about how nothing we're doing is having an impact.

I'm not sure what I enjoy more, watching a narcissist overestimate his effect on a virtual world or watching the narcissist try to keep his meme alive. Remember—locate the center of the sternum, compress the chest 2 inches 30 times at a rate of 100 per minute, tilt the head back, pinch the nose, blow into the mouth twice, repeat while alternating between compressions and breaths.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2011-11-12 16:46:43 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:

Lot of stockpiles may exist but that is also weighed against consumption. If every player and his mother were still having gallente POS's burning fuel for moon material reactions for weeks after this ongoing fiasco, in addition to current use of gallente capitals that's going to burn into the supply. Doesn't matter how much you got, if demand of countless POS's and capitals is burning into supply like crazy.

Prices decreased a bit only because stockpiles were released. But ingoing supply is still dead, with demand still very strong so long term who knows how much it will rise. The carrier and super of choice is gallente, so that will not help, along with the ORE ships that use it.

The choice of oxygen was a very strategic choice, also, to end the siege of it would bring things back to normal, why would they ever want that. If they got the power to blockade all empire ice then they could consider that, but no reason to yield on the oxygen isotopes.

Anyone smart should have switched out gallente POS's a while ago to ammar, bite the 100% storage bonus for 50%. But yea....... this is long term, could get worse.


Which goes back to the original question. How big are the stockpiles and how long will Goons have to keep up this (rather boring) interdiction of all of the ice fields in Gallente space? (And Oxytope prices have been flat-lined at 900-1050 ISK/u for a few weeks now, hardly a "skyrocket".)

Some people predicted skyrocketing prices within a week or two (didn't really happen, most of that was market manipulation & speculation). Others predict 2-3 months at a minimum. There's also the strong possibility that large industrial folks, being somewhat paranoid about supply and probably swimming in ISK, keep 6-12 months of fuel on-hand in order to ride out bumps in the market or supply chain.


oxytopes jumped to 1300 today :sun:

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#59 - 2011-11-12 16:48:50 UTC
So what are you guys doing with the money? Any oxytope supercaps?
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#60 - 2011-11-12 19:32:10 UTC
Elise DarkStar wrote:
People are failing to grasp the greater significance of the first successful and sustained act of market terrorism.

First? Every time you see a merc corp contracted to harsh an indy corp it is likely because they stepped on someone's margins. This might count as the loudest most obvious example.....

90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed.