Market Discussions

All ice is undervalued for their use.

maybe you should check ice prices :sun:

Well, it's rather brutal here. Right now we are advising all our clients to put everything they've got into canned food and shotguns.

I like what you guys are doing to my wallet, but I would appreciate expansion into Caldari ice. I would make a sizable donation to the Goon retirement fund if you could pull that off.

As for the market effect if they manage to pull that off AND maintain it nicely there for a few months ?

Well, all the reaction products will also go up accordingly , because everybody and their dog is working reactions with Gallente towers. Worst affected would be all the four racial carbides, slightly less affected sylramic and phenolic, and the rest, eh, not that much.

Of course, it would not last long, because reaction people will eventually say "screw it" and just change tower type.
Especially since POS stuff is getting simplified, and the thing with faction towers is a bit iffy.

On the other hand, depending on how things go later on, it might be a very good OR a very bad idea to buy/sell factional towers in the near future (especially gall-based ones), until the change is actually rolled out.

I'll let people with more free time nowadays speculate on it all. Me, I really have other things to attend to :P

my god man how do you keep all that knowledge in one head

Gee, and here I was paying you guys a compliment, but you didn't even realize it.
Weak, bro, weak.

As for your comments...


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Carbides have the lowest (input materials cost / fuel cost) ratio of all advanced materials, and are therefore most affected percentage-wise by an increase in fuel prices, since fuel represents a greater percentage of their overall cost.
Obviously, as an absolute amount of ISK per unit, the rest will be affected more, but as a PERCENTAGE, they won't.
For a trader, the percentage difference is the most important one, not the price per unit difference.

When somebody purchases AND HOLDS one month's worth of trade volume from the market in a few days, that would cause a price spike for the next one or two months REGARDLESS of any actual increased difficulties in acquiring that particular item (especially if the revenue for doing it does not increase all that much).

Yes, there's a good chance somebody from the Goons bought it, but WHO did it is irrelevant for the time being.
What is relevant is whether the price hike WOULD have happened in the ABSENCE of that massive purchase (and how much lower than the current one it would have been).
Also, what else is relevant is how will prices evolve if whoever purchased and held on to that huge amount of oxytopes decides to hold onto it longer as opposed to trying to sell it (no matter how slowly).
And how fast will prices crash down towards the previous level (or even to the previous level, or maybe lower) if the one who bought the huge stock decides to sell it even if the difficulty of obtaining the items remains raised.

Just remember that during the Hulkageddons, mineral prices barely moved. Then again, the volumes of minerals transacted barely moved too. In spite of the massive number of Hulk losses (and other barges too).
So yeah, if prices for oxytopes raise enough to make Blue Ice mining better than casual L4 mision running (Goonswarm-induced losses notwithstanding), then yes, it would finally be clear that the Goons really had a serious and long-lasting impact JUST WITH THEIR MILITARY ACTION as opposed to their (or somebody else's) less-long-lived market fiddling.

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P.S. But, please, do continue. I am curious to see what you have to say about that.

so 400 to 1200 is no success? lol

Except carbides also have the lowest volume output per hour. They take a bit over 8 days to fill an unbonused silo.

Most people are fine with weekly maintenance, and it's cheaper to run 2 caldari towers than 3 gallente. So they aren't really exposed to gallente fuel prices.

some men just want to watch the galaxy burn, mr. bronstein