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Get rid of or significantly lower PI taxes.
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Marsan
#81 - 2014-02-10 20:45:24 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Marsan wrote:
Honestly PI in LS isn't that hard, and kind of fun. I've yet to lose a ship at it. You put a cloak, afterburn, and some stabs on a cheap indy do quick transfers at the POCO, and you are very hard to kill. Even if someone blows up your indy it's a couple million to replace. I'd use a T2 hauler, but their cost vs their marginal survivablity doesn't add up.


Bull hockey !

The Covops Blockade Runners are almost impossible to catch. The Deep Space Transports are almost uncatchable with 3 additional Warp Stabs hanging off them.

Almost 4 years, 5 toons and 30 planets, all in Low, I've only lost one Bustard the entire time. And I know exactly how it happened.

To give your advice above, you must have been doing something wrong.


I'm not sure how I can be doing it wrong if I'm not getting blown up. I don't disagree that Blockage Runners, and DST aren't harder to catch. What I'm saying is that a well flown, and well fit cheap indy is also hard to catch on a gate LS*. It's a question of what you are hauling, and how many jumps you are facing. If I'm planning on hauling something very valuable or over a long distance in LS, or wspace a BR or DST is the right choice. If I'm doing PI a jump or 2 into LS or a wormhole my odds of getting blown up are very low, and for me personally have more to do with how well I paying attention than what I'm flying. If I lose 5 cheap Indys for every DST or BR while hauling PI I'm still ahead.

Not to mention the OP is fairly new to the game. He likely can't fly a DST or BR, and lacks the experience to fly one well. He is better off flying a bunch of cheap Indys than skilllng up a ship he can't afford to lose, and will lose.


Note: Obviously if the gate is heavily camped you'll meet an insta lock camp with enough point or dps, but most of LS doesn't have "elite" campers on every gate.

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Allison A'vani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2014-02-11 09:01:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Allison A'vani
If you are doing PI in high-sec then you are doing it wrong TBH. The yields in null so outweigh the high-sec yields that it is laughable. 10x - 20x more in some cases. Also, join a corp with people, eve is not a single player game as much as you might wish it. Hell, the only reason anyone really plays this game anymore is for the interactions with other players, the eve client is just the portal into the "holly **** that just happened," stories that keep us playing.
Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#83 - 2014-02-11 21:09:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Zenito wrote:

He doesn't seem to be doing anything wrong. As he says, he's yet to lose a ship at it. That's doing it right. And cheaply too.


Excuse me, but the point of his quote (had you read it) is:

"I'd use a T2 hauler, but their cost vs their marginal survivablity doesn't add up."

It's a broad declaration about something that he has obviously not even tried and knows absolutely nothing about. Just a "fluff of a thought tossed off out into the Web"......and nothing more or better.

T1 haulers cost under 5 mil normally, T2 over 100 mil. What he means by marginal additional survivability is that their additional survivability is far less than their additional cost. Its a personal assessment and should be understood as such, rather than trying to pretend to intellectual sophistication talking about fluffs of thought when he pretty clearly knows exactly what hes talking about.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2014-02-11 21:36:30 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Zenito wrote:

He doesn't seem to be doing anything wrong. As he says, he's yet to lose a ship at it. That's doing it right. And cheaply too.


Excuse me, but the point of his quote (had you read it) is:

"I'd use a T2 hauler, but their cost vs their marginal survivablity doesn't add up."

It's a broad declaration about something that he has obviously not even tried and knows absolutely nothing about. Just a "fluff of a thought tossed off out into the Web"......and nothing more or better.

T1 haulers cost under 5 mil normally, T2 over 100 mil. What he means by marginal additional survivability is that their additional survivability is far less than their additional cost. Its a personal assessment and should be understood as such, rather than trying to pretend to intellectual sophistication talking about fluffs of thought when he pretty clearly knows exactly what hes talking about.



This is compounded by the effect of industrial ship rebalancing. Now with an Epithal you can commit all slots and rigs to survivability and GTFO rather than cargo space and still have 67500m3 of PI storage.