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is the ESS actually used?
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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-02-04 20:14:44 UTC
I've seen a couple being used in Dek. One by a Merchi guy who was testing something, another left behind by some moron from WEON (I haven't met a smart one though) which I blew up. Also the 5% nerf to bounties is broken, but since when has CCP ever released something that actually works?

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ashley Eoner
#62 - 2014-02-04 20:21:08 UTC
AnotherUseless Alt wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec.

That's the problem in the first place.



not true.. lazynnes is still the most powerful force in the universe. But the direction is correct. Base payout should be even lower and the reward should be even higher. Also the time to hit share should not be THAT fast. Should take at least like 1 min.


You really don't understand 0.0 do you? The bears are there to bear in peace, not be bothered constantly, or have to worry about an additional mechanics. With the buff to interceptors, it's already become a pain to rat, make it worse, and everyone will be in high sec doing incursions.

At the rate that incursions are being closed not many would be doing anything at that point.
Waltaratzor
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
#63 - 2014-02-04 21:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Waltaratzor
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Out in various nullsex looking for ESS to rob and I've only found one. Which had 1.2mil in it which I stole. Went back couple hours later and it was gone (presumably scooped).

Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos?
Answer: No there is no waying of knowing where an ESS is unless your in system with it.

Update: Since making this thread I've found a few ESS. Most are empty or have very little isk in them.
In order found
~45 mil lost it in a fire in Delve :(
6 mil got ran off by locals
165 mil OP SUCCESS lel Lol
~20 mil OP SUCCESS
~40 mil ran off
~45 mil ran off

Attention ESS now does give km! much happy Big smile

Update: To answer the question 'is the ESS actually used?' It is gaining popularity. Been seeing these more often now that null has had time to get them out to their space. Trying to rob them is nearly impossible with a smart player tho. The 30 second share timer is very difficult to beat with intel chats even in a ceptor.


It seems its quite popular now if you have an alt that can loot it. YOu can place it in an anom, making it impossible to warp directly to, which gives you plenty of time to loot it and leave if a neut shows up in system.

If you really want to have it safe. Find an exploration ded site and stick it in their. Then enemies have to scan down the site before they can get to it. Also yeah, if you have friends in neighboring systems it's also nearly impossible to steal.

I am curious how CCP will handle it. Players have found a way to eliminate most of the risk associated with the object.
Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#64 - 2014-02-04 21:37:10 UTC
Waltaratzor wrote:
It seems its quite popular now if you have an alt that can loot it. YOu can place it in an anom, making it impossible to warp directly to, which gives you plenty of time to loot it and leave if a neut shows up in system.

If you really want to have it safe. Find an exploration ded site and stick it in their. Then enemies have to scan down the site before they can get to it. Also yeah, if you have friends in neighboring systems it's also nearly impossible to steal.

I am curious how CCP will handle it. Players have found a way to eliminate most of the risk associated with the object.


Where are all those "elite PvPers" now who were loudly proclaiming that the ESS would be a super awesome conflict driver in the dev thread?
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#65 - 2014-02-04 21:43:53 UTC
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:
Waltaratzor wrote:
It seems its quite popular now if you have an alt that can loot it. YOu can place it in an anom, making it impossible to warp directly to, which gives you plenty of time to loot it and leave if a neut shows up in system.

If you really want to have it safe. Find an exploration ded site and stick it in their. Then enemies have to scan down the site before they can get to it. Also yeah, if you have friends in neighboring systems it's also nearly impossible to steal.

I am curious how CCP will handle it. Players have found a way to eliminate most of the risk associated with the object.


Where are all those "elite PvPers" now who were loudly proclaiming that the ESS would be a super awesome conflict driver in the dev thread?


It is a conflict driver we killed an officer fit paladin trying to defend their ESS from our gang

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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#66 - 2014-02-04 21:45:09 UTC
Waltaratzor wrote:
Then enemies have to scan down the site before they can get to it.


Actually no since it puts a beacon on overveiw. Roll

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#67 - 2014-02-04 23:50:27 UTC
Waltaratzor wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Out in various nullsex looking for ESS to rob and I've only found one. Which had 1.2mil in it which I stole. Went back couple hours later and it was gone (presumably scooped).

Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos?
Answer: No there is no waying of knowing where an ESS is unless your in system with it.

Update: Since making this thread I've found a few ESS. Most are empty or have very little isk in them.
In order found
~45 mil lost it in a fire in Delve :(
6 mil got ran off by locals
165 mil OP SUCCESS lel Lol
~20 mil OP SUCCESS
~40 mil ran off
~45 mil ran off

Attention ESS now does give km! much happy Big smile

Update: To answer the question 'is the ESS actually used?' It is gaining popularity. Been seeing these more often now that null has had time to get them out to their space. Trying to rob them is nearly impossible with a smart player tho. The 30 second share timer is very difficult to beat with intel chats even in a ceptor.


It seems its quite popular now if you have an alt that can loot it. YOu can place it in an anom, making it impossible to warp directly to, which gives you plenty of time to loot it and leave if a neut shows up in system.

If you really want to have it safe. Find an exploration ded site and stick it in their. Then enemies have to scan down the site before they can get to it. Also yeah, if you have friends in neighboring systems it's also nearly impossible to steal.

I am curious how CCP will handle it. Players have found a way to eliminate most of the risk associated with the object.



CCP will allow the gift to null sec stand as is.
They get the 5% buff to ISk, and a massive gift of LP, with zero risk.

Working as designed.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#68 - 2014-02-05 00:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Sagitta
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

CCP will allow the gift to null sec stand as is.
They get the 5% buff to ISk, and a massive gift of LP, with zero risk.

Working as designed.


Well they do risk 25mil of ESS... so your guaranteed a km atleast Big smile

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Mario Putzo
#69 - 2014-02-05 00:40:19 UTC
I would use it everyday in lowsec.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#70 - 2014-02-05 02:17:02 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I would use it everyday in lowsec.


I'm sure a lot of people would like to use 25m bubbles in lowsec P

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Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-02-05 06:40:13 UTC
We were searching for a high sec the other day and tumbled out into a null sec with an ESS up. Naturally we took the chance to go look at it.

75mil in loot. ok cool.. started collecting the loot and a tengu came in to defend it.. killed the tengu and pod. looted the 75mil and went back to searching for our high sec.

I think it might have some potential to drive conflict. of course smart people would just collect it whenever it hit 100mil (or some other randomly selected figure). making it not worth stealing or defending in the first place. It may need some tweaking but i can see it giving at least myself and fellow wormholers who exit into a null sec something extra to harass nullbears over.

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Powers Sa
#72 - 2014-02-05 07:25:51 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:



CCP will allow the gift to null sec stand as is.
They get the 5% buff to ISk, and a massive gift of LP, with zero risk.

Working as designed.

Do you really believe all the bullcrap you post?

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2014-02-05 09:59:03 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Waltaratzor wrote:
Then enemies have to scan down the site before they can get to it.


Actually no since it puts a beacon on overveiw. Roll

Erm... Since it was about placing the thing in explo sites, are you saying that the beacon allows to bypass acceleration gate and land directly in the pocket?

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Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2014-02-05 10:23:19 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Waltaratzor wrote:
Then enemies have to scan down the site before they can get to it.


Actually no since it puts a beacon on overveiw. Roll

Erm... Since it was about placing the thing in explo sites, are you saying that the beacon allows to bypass acceleration gate and land directly in the pocket?


No but they still wont have to scan the site down, even if you would usually only able to warp to it if you scan it with probes first.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#75 - 2014-02-05 11:12:44 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I would use it everyday in lowsec.

I would use yours every day in lowsec too.

I REALLY want them there, minus the bubble of course. Not to mention highsec.

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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#76 - 2014-02-05 13:31:07 UTC
We've already decided to shoot any that appear in our systems.

Stupid idea that should have gone in the bin.

Que CCP jumping in with a blog detailing how great a success the ESS is, including lots of otherwise meaningless statistics (of the lies, damned lies and statistics variant) in order to save some sort of face.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#77 - 2014-02-05 13:42:15 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:



CCP will allow the gift to null sec stand as is.
They get the 5% buff to ISk, and a massive gift of LP, with zero risk.

Working as designed.

Do you really believe all the bullcrap you post?


The sad (and scary as hell part) is that he does.
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2014-02-05 13:55:21 UTC
So there are people that ignore the ESS, who make 5% less ISK than before the patch.
Then there are people that use the ESS but are not able to do it properly, they gain 80% the ISK, gain 10% more ISK with the convertion of LPs and lose 20mil every time they have to replace the ESS.
Then there are people that use the ESS, are able to grab their ISK before it gets stolen and make at least 10% more ISK (with LPs) than befre the patch.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2014-02-05 13:59:42 UTC
Qweasdy wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec.



Desert null sec...LOL.
While I was totally against the original design as a purely malicious attack on null sec line members (and I hate the newer version even more), there was, and is, zero chance of players leaving null sec.

The ISK is way too high, the risk far too low, for anyone who likes that kind of thing to give it up.
The only thing that can kill you in null sec is boredom.


I live in nullsec, I make all my money in highsec, go figure.

So actually you said:
i make my life of high-sec and only pvp in null-sec

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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#80 - 2014-02-06 20:20:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Sagitta
AWW YEAH

Just stole 250mil from an ESS

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