Jita Park Speakers Corner

My proposal is for all Attributes to be removed for the following reasons:

- Attributes like Willpower should add to your Magic power in rpg's not to your ability to learn Trade or Spaceship Command skills faster.

- If for example attributes would directly effect your resistance vs ewar or apply critical damage more often, again think traditional rpg's, then maybe they function like they should do in rpg's.

- Attributes can only be neural remapped once per year (not including the two extra remaps as a new player) which means after a year players have to adjust their training plan to this, once per year remap, which will limit their decision making in an open world.

- Getting higher attributes through implants makes players less at ease to engage in pvp, if you are flying around with +5's in your clone and you spot a war target or do a quick losec run, you might not want to risk any engagement due to cost vs reward factor.
(sure you can clone jump, but by then opportunities might have vanished and you are to late and maybe log off)

- Like mission agent quality it adds a level of complexity that will not improve eve's open world gameplay, and only possible hinder it (I do miss mining/distribution agents handing out security missions !!)

Wait... you want to get rid of attributes, but retain implants that affect training time?

That's incredibly bizarre. Death to attributes for sure... but the whole reason why you'd be doing that would be to kill implants affecting attributes affecting training time, and the perverse incentives those implants cause.

Every possible bit of evidence that we have available indicates that people who don't PvP because they're scared of losing their implants still won't PvP if you take implants out of the game, because they'll just find something else to be scared about.

My contempt for people who don't want to risk their implents and so campaign for the rest of us not even to be allowed to make that choice is infinite. If you're scared of losing your implants, then don't use implants. But why shouldn't I be allowed to risk mine just because you're too gutless to risk yours?

Pod death is "pretty much guaranteed"?

Man I must have been doing something wrong all these years, because I've only lost a couple of dozen pods since 2006.

Again, if you don't like losing implants, no one is forcing you to use them. Those of us who can manage incredibly advanced combat skills like getting an instawarping pod out would like to carry on using implants even if you're too convinced of your own inevitable failures to put a few mil on the line.

So in essence your problem is not that it's not already trivially possible for you to operate without risking implant loss, because it is, what you hate is that people like me are prepared to take that risk and reap the benefit from it.

What you want to do is remove that option from my gameplay.

Why on earth should I support the removal of my options because you're too chickenshit to run the risk yourself?

I think attributes, remaps and implants add a little depth to the game and should be retained. There's an extra layer of thought and risk required to optimise training time / isk / jump clone timers etc. If you live in null (you need bad luck to lose pods in empire) replacing a couple of +2 or +3 implants doesn't take long at all.

Medical clone costs, however, are painful due to their being all but compulsory. I'm up for protecting younger characters, but feel that clone costs should level-off a bit after a certain number of SP. After all, your income doesn't just keep increasing without limit, and frigate roams are annoying when the clone cost is literally 100x the hull cost.

I'd say that at clone level pi (54.6M SP, 5.46M ISK) the costs should either stop increasing, or the cost per SP should remain constant. At that level it's 1 ISK per 10 SP, so a tau clone, for example, would then cost 12M ISK - still a chunk of change, but more palatable.

Its more the other way around honestly. It penalizes people like me who run around with only cheap hardwirings plugged in. I don't see why avoiding pvp altogether should lead to decreased training times. I can easily afford 50 mill a clone. I can't afford 500mill, and sincerely doubt any real pvp'ers would ever consider running around with +5's in their heads. If they do have that type of money they are much better off still putting with lower training times by getting snakes or other "effect" implants.

EVE is an adventure game!

If you haven't found Candy Mountain yet, then get out or biomass...... I'd suggest you use fire! But whatever gets the job done.