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[Rubicon 1.3] New way of acquiring the Astero, Stratios and Nestor

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I am disposable
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2014-01-31 21:08:22 UTC
Seems like a good idea to me. I still think the Nestor sucks, but at 800 misk it won't suck as much. Plus drone space gets a bump in value.
Longinius Spear
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
#82 - 2014-01-31 21:09:03 UTC
Very good and thought out solution to the issue.

Good job.



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Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2014-01-31 21:12:12 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read Grath's confirmation of PL evac'ing to the Drone Regions.
Remarkably convenient for PL that Rise decides to gift the Drone Regions, and screw high sec.


Confirming that Nestcats are on track to replace Slowcats.


Nah, but PL pilots will be soon be going ka-ching with every Sentient Drone drop.
The individual and alliance coffers will soon be brimming again.

But makes you wonder, whatever happened to all that rental income in the first place.
If the BOTLrd agreement was designed to protect PL's income streams, where is that all that ISK that they have been collecting so far?

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#84 - 2014-01-31 21:32:25 UTC
I am disposable wrote:
Seems like a good idea to me. I still think the Nestor sucks, but at 800 misk it won't suck as much. Plus drone space gets a bump in value.

Even with a price reduction to $800-million, the Nestor is still about 100% overpriced...

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#85 - 2014-01-31 21:51:06 UTC
Good call overall.

Now they're more in line with the rest of pirate ships in their method of being obtained. Also makes it remotely worth doing Drone sites, which hasn't been the case for a very long while.

Win/win for everybody.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2014-01-31 22:00:39 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read Grath's confirmation of PL evac'ing to the Drone Regions.
Remarkably convenient for PL that Rise decides to gift the Drone Regions, and screw high sec.


Confirming that Nestcats are on track to replace Slowcats.


Nah, but PL pilots will be soon be going ka-ching with every Sentient Drone drop.
The individual and alliance coffers will soon be brimming again.

Not really.
The more they do it the less valuable it will become.
I don't expect that these BPCs will drop often anyway. They're probably not going to provide a very good income.

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Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2014-01-31 22:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Miasmos
CCP Rise wrote:
Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.

I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships.


That's not to say the popularity of SOE ship LP conversion and every highsec casual sleeper giving a look at SOE missions didn't impact SOE LP heavily. The "80% who just don't know / care" are a very meaningful demographic in everything.

Having said that, I hope the "80% who just dont know / care" and their percentual abundance in highsec population are taken into account when comparing highsec and nullsec personal income. Always balance by the potential.
Sarmatiko
#88 - 2014-01-31 22:24:06 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.

Can you please clarify some more - will this include spawns in Empire space? Because right now Drone complexes in Empire are pretty much garbage, and this can be a nice tweak for them at least.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#89 - 2014-01-31 22:40:44 UTC
Why exactly would rogue drones drop BPC's for sisters of eve ships? That makes very little sense to me. It just seems like a quick hatchet job because you messed up. Usually I have a lot of respect for CCP Rise's ideas, but this one is bad. I would say go back to the drawing board and think of a more logical solution, although as the idea has got this far already I don't think that will now happen.
Sheeana Harb
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#90 - 2014-01-31 22:53:56 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
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Lovely improvement, thank you. Could you please consider adding SoE blueprints to Ghost sites as well?
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Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-02-01 00:15:55 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Last, we could have tried to make the Nestor powerful enough to justify the huge price-tag. We really didn't want to go with this option....


Rise, you should rephrase that sentence... :D

Anyway, +1 for the change. Makes a lot of sense.
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#92 - 2014-02-01 00:16:52 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Why exactly would rogue drones drop BPC's for sisters of eve ships? That makes very little sense to me. It just seems like a quick hatchet job because you messed up. Usually I have a lot of respect for CCP Rise's ideas, but this one is bad. I would say go back to the drawing board and think of a more logical solution, although as the idea has got this far already I don't think that will now happen.


Try reading it again.. he said they will drop chips that you can cash in at SOE LP stores fpr the BPCs. Not that the RDs would drop BPCs.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2014-02-01 00:22:48 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Oh, and Rise, another thing.

Way to go on letting market forces dictate economic costs.
Nice to see you let the game be a "sandbox", as you so like to say, except when you want to help out a null sec area, and nerf the **** out of another high sec income stream.


Highsec needs fewer isk faucets, and nullsec needs more income sources for individual pilots. Drone regions are especially bad, you basically rat in anoms or mine, that's the only choices for drone region dwellers, and lets not forget how horribly designed drone hordes are. The exploration sites are worthless, and there are no gas sites.
chez1962
hardcore 19th star
#94 - 2014-02-01 00:24:04 UTC
pandemic legion-withdrawing-to-the-drone-regions this was on the 30th and now ccp helps them to recover from there major losses IdeaTwisted

I wonder who gets a next boost on losses ... CFC QuestionQuestionQuestion

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#95 - 2014-02-01 00:43:14 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:


Highsec needs fewer isk faucets, and nullsec needs more income sources for individual pilots. Drone regions are especially bad, you basically rat in anoms or mine, that's the only choices for drone region dwellers, and lets not forget how horribly designed drone hordes are. The exploration sites are worthless, and there are no gas sites.

High Sec is not a large isk faucet.
In fact it is probably one of the lowest Isk Faucet regions in the game.
The largest Isk Faucet is Null as of Fanfest 2013 figures.

The rest of your statement, sure, more variety, more pilots supported and more drone region love, all agree with.
Omega Flames
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#96 - 2014-02-01 01:59:47 UTC
Why not just drop the actual BPC's instead of tags? and if you must drop tags at least have SOE in their name not rogue drones so people easily recognize their use and don't have to go digging around trying to figure it out what some random drone tag is for.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#97 - 2014-02-01 02:14:23 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read Grath's confirmation of PL evac'ing to the Drone Regions.
Remarkably convenient for PL that Rise decides to gift the Drone Regions, and screw high sec.


Confirming that Nestcats are on track to replace Slowcats.


Nah, but PL pilots will be soon be going ka-ching with every Sentient Drone drop.
The individual and alliance coffers will soon be brimming again.

But makes you wonder, whatever happened to all that rental income in the first place.
If the BOTLrd agreement was designed to protect PL's income streams, where is that all that ISK that they have been collecting so far?


Is this guy for real?

Surely noone is this unbearably thick? Must be a troll.

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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#98 - 2014-02-01 02:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrified
This is good to hear. While grinding out for a Nestor for resale was nice, it would be nicer to fly it once it is fiscally piratical to fly.

Also good for the people who like shooting drones... regardless of where.

Now, how many of each chips for the ships?

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Sieges
#99 - 2014-02-01 02:44:27 UTC
This is good news :)
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#100 - 2014-02-01 03:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
It doesn't really matter what is done with regards to cost at this point; the Nestor is the EVE equivalent of the "Spruce Goose". As has been previously pointed out, it's really only worth $500 to $600-million ISK based on current capabilities. It's certainly not worth more than a Vindicator or Machariel, and no amount of blueprint drops is going to offset this. With the ability to run a Covert Ops cloak it would be worth a small premium.

CCP Rise, just give the Nestor a Covert Ops cloak and be done with it. This ship was designed for wormhole play, and wormhole players really haven't been given much - so throw them a bone already... The Nestor is cost-prohibitive to the point where I can't see it being massive used in fleet actions, but if so - who cares?

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