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[Rubicon 1.3] New way of acquiring the Astero, Stratios and Nestor

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#201 - 2014-02-16 18:35:49 UTC
Tsikuu wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Itago Gemulus wrote:
Supply/demand will make the Nestor cheaper and cheaper until its worth using.

No offense, but some of you are delusional if you think the Nestor is worth any of the other Pirate battleships - let alone a Rattlesnake (which is basically the price of a Stratios). I don't know how else to term expectations that the Nestor will drop to below $800-million ISK in price other than pure fantasy.


Actually, it very likely will.
Very soon, when CCP gifts PL with the SoE ship chips in the drone regions, we are going to see the Nestor cost not dictated at all by SoE LP, but by the availability of the Nestor chip, and the mineral costs.

Using the Fuzzworks website, it looks like mineral costs are about 182 million, or in that range.
Knowing how much CCP hates high sec, and want to boost PL's finances, you can expect a very high drop rate of the chips in the Drone regions.

So the price for the Nestor will drop very soon, very much, especially since the ship is not best of breed in any function, and there is very little demand for the ship.


Whooooo there, tin hat alert.

Lets be honest, the nestor is a gimmick ship. Even with the "bonus" reduction in cost given to the Goons, the current price just doesnt relflect its real world value. With LP running at +2.3k per unit that is nearly double any other factions LP, THAT is the issue. Drop the SOE isk/lp rate to 1.2/1.3k per LP and the Nestor price drops to its real level.

Anyway continue whining about how you goons are getting screwed by CFCP.


Errrr....um...you might want to look over EVERY post I have made.
Check around, I think most people know I HATE goons.

But no, I am not thrilled that PL was handed a huge gift, so conveniently after they announced their move to Drone regions.

Ultimately, it is irrelevant who lives in the Drone Regions.
So many SoE Nestor chips are going to be flooding the market that LP, whether the Sanctuary version, or the high sec flavour, will be utterly irrelevant in the pricing of these ships.

Already very very few use their SoE LP on the Nestor.
When the sell price of the Nestor starts crashing, NO ONE will.
Prices will be dictated solely by chip availability and mineral costs versus demand for a crappy ship.
Smalltimer
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#202 - 2014-02-16 18:49:19 UTC
The Nestor is a beautiful looking ship without a cause.
To bad, as I was really hoping for something lucrative to solo WH exploration in. :(
Oh and the price all but sucks too.

Tsikuu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#203 - 2014-02-16 19:06:03 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Tsikuu wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Itago Gemulus wrote:
Supply/demand will make the Nestor cheaper and cheaper until its worth using.

No offense, but some of you are delusional if you think the Nestor is worth any of the other Pirate battleships - let alone a Rattlesnake (which is basically the price of a Stratios). I don't know how else to term expectations that the Nestor will drop to below $800-million ISK in price other than pure fantasy.


Actually, it very likely will.
Very soon, when CCP gifts PL with the SoE ship chips in the drone regions, we are going to see the Nestor cost not dictated at all by SoE LP, but by the availability of the Nestor chip, and the mineral costs.

Using the Fuzzworks website, it looks like mineral costs are about 182 million, or in that range.
Knowing how much CCP hates high sec, and want to boost PL's finances, you can expect a very high drop rate of the chips in the Drone regions.

So the price for the Nestor will drop very soon, very much, especially since the ship is not best of breed in any function, and there is very little demand for the ship.


Whooooo there, tin hat alert.

Lets be honest, the nestor is a gimmick ship. Even with the "bonus" reduction in cost given to the Goons, the current price just doesnt relflect its real world value. With LP running at +2.3k per unit that is nearly double any other factions LP, THAT is the issue. Drop the SOE isk/lp rate to 1.2/1.3k per LP and the Nestor price drops to its real level.

Anyway continue whining about how you goons are getting screwed by CFCP.


Errrr....um...you might want to look over EVERY post I have made.
Check around, I think most people know I HATE goons.

But no, I am not thrilled that PL was handed a huge gift, so conveniently after they announced their move to Drone regions.

Ultimately, it is irrelevant who lives in the Drone Regions.
So many SoE Nestor chips are going to be flooding the market that LP, whether the Sanctuary version, or the high sec flavour, will be utterly irrelevant in the pricing of these ships.

Already very very few use their SoE LP on the Nestor.
When the sell price of the Nestor starts crashing, NO ONE will.
Prices will be dictated solely by chip availability and mineral costs versus demand for a crappy ship.


Its not a "gift" any more than other Pirate BPC drops. The fact remains the issue is neither the chips, nor where they drop. The issue is cut price LP store items and an excessive LP/ISK ratio.

As for the move back, you really must keep up on sov changes, BoT are taking sov as a renter empire. PL wont be out there with their ratting titans any time soon grinding the 90 odd plexes needed to get a single drop (estimate based on Rattlesnake drop rate from Branch).

You dont want these chips, then remove ALL faction BPCs so everyone has a fair and even starting ground.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#204 - 2014-02-16 20:48:26 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Actually, it very likely will.
Very soon, when CCP gifts PL with the SoE ship chips in the drone regions, we are going to see the Nestor cost not dictated at all by SoE LP, but by the availability of the Nestor chip, and the mineral costs.

You really need to get out more… Lol

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#205 - 2014-02-16 21:05:24 UTC
Blimey! 90 plexes to get a rattlesnake? 90 minutes in a c6 will buy one...

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#206 - 2014-02-16 22:02:47 UTC
Smalltimer wrote:
The Nestor is a beautiful looking ship without a cause.

RR Nestor gang has no place in this game?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#207 - 2014-02-16 22:15:42 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
RR Nestor gang has no place in this game?

What's in your wallet?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#208 - 2014-02-17 16:20:25 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
RR Nestor gang has no place in this game?

What's in your wallet?
So, it's a good ship that has a purpose, just costs too much for you?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#209 - 2014-02-17 17:13:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
X Gallentius wrote:
So, it's a good ship that has a purpose, just costs too much for you?

Each to their own, I guess. If it works great for your application, more power to you...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#210 - 2014-02-17 17:22:18 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Quote:
What's in your wallet?
So, it's a good ship that has a purpose, just costs too much for you?
Each to their own, I guess. If it works great for your application, more power to you...

The original point was the claim that the ship serves no purpose, not its price.

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#211 - 2014-02-17 23:24:54 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Smalltimer wrote:
The Nestor is a beautiful looking ship without a cause.

RR Nestor gang has no place in this game?
20-30 billion isk remote repping battleship gang.
Now that would be something I'd like to see.
You would have people bat phoning half of new eden just to whore on the killmails.


The dead nestors would make great for killboard stats. So yes RR Nestor gang certainly does have a place

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Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#212 - 2014-02-18 02:25:55 UTC
Given that most of the Posts in this thread that talk about the acquisition process of the Nestor(versus the rest talking about the merits of the ship itself or it relation in performance to other ships), mostly point to were the Anoms/Sigs are and the LP Store that sells it cheaper. How about the other side of the equation, Making the LP easier to get?

Ideas:
- More Locations with SoE Agents?
- ESS SoE Edition? (for the most part it is a Faction based in Empire Space :) )
Itago Gemulus
Station Spinners United
#213 - 2014-02-18 04:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Itago Gemulus
Sgt Ocker wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Smalltimer wrote:
The Nestor is a beautiful looking ship without a cause.

RR Nestor gang has no place in this game?
20-30 billion isk remote repping battleship gang.
Now that would be something I'd like to see.
You would have people bat phoning half of new eden just to ***** on the killmails.


The dead nestors would make great for killboard stats. So yes RR Nestor gang certainly does have a place


20-30 billion gang isnt so extreme, sure if we are talking about 10-15 ships for that price (2b each) its a nice target, but if its 50 ships (400m each) with a strong spider tank you need to alpha to kill anything. Even with 10-15 ships you more or less need to alpha them to get a kill.
These ships can easily get 100-150k EHP before boosts/slaves and tank enough to survive a few max vindies shooting at them along with 7-800 dps
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#214 - 2014-02-18 23:01:43 UTC
Eve Central:
Vindicator: 935,891,115 (Jita) Gank Vindy Max dps is 1694
Nestor: 1,587,996,285.00 (Jita) Reps 4k dps onto itself (4 mins), or 3.3 k sustained, 475 dps from drones, and EHP = 146k, 80% resists across the board.

Price is not so out of line.
Kogh Ayon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#215 - 2014-02-19 08:51:37 UTC
I love the trend to nerf high-sec, however I have to agree with the carebears that allowing NPC to drop items in LP store is very bad game design.

It might be temporary good to balance the high-sec and null but it really against the spirit of "sandbox game", that value of items are driven by players' need and decision to produce. Allowing NPC to drop items from LP store, not only for the idea about dropping SOE bpcs but also for any pirate faction bpcs, often does not show the will and decision made by players, because players are receiving the bpcs passively as a result of the looting table, because the reason players do anomaly/exploration/belt ratting is not to get factional bpcs (people run sites to get any item that can sell for isk).

NPC dropping LP store items can be compared to T2 BPOs, enhancing it just go against the good trend.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2014-02-19 09:56:36 UTC
Itago Gemulus wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Smalltimer wrote:
The Nestor is a beautiful looking ship without a cause.

RR Nestor gang has no place in this game?
20-30 billion isk remote repping battleship gang.
Now that would be something I'd like to see.
You would have people bat phoning half of new eden just to ***** on the killmails.


The dead nestors would make great for killboard stats. So yes RR Nestor gang certainly does have a place


20-30 billion gang isnt so extreme, sure if we are talking about 10-15 ships for that price (2b each) its a nice target, but if its 50 ships (400m each) with a strong spider tank you need to alpha to kill anything. Even with 10-15 ships you more or less need to alpha them to get a kill.
These ships can easily get 100-150k EHP before boosts/slaves and tank enough to survive a few max vindies shooting at them along with 7-800 dps


You wouldn't attack an rr Nestor fleet with vindicators. You'd use 50 Dominix or ishtars and alpha them from beyond their attack range.

Nestor will not work in a large fleet.

Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
Itago Gemulus
Station Spinners United
#217 - 2014-02-19 11:04:25 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:


You wouldn't attack an rr Nestor fleet with vindicators. You'd use 50 Dominix or ishtars and alpha them from beyond their attack range.

Nestor will not work in a large fleet.


You wouldnt sit outside your attack range while beeing shot at either, unless your in 0.0/WH and your in a bubble...

Ill give you that, in a sniper vs close range fight the sniper comes out on top as long as they can keep range.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#218 - 2014-02-19 19:02:00 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
Nestor will not work in a large fleet.
Almost all faction pirate ships do not work well in a large fleet. (Do any pirate faction hulls work in large fleets? Maybe Macherial?)
Xtream Cowgirl Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#219 - 2014-02-19 23:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Xtream Cowgirl Miner
Kogh Ayon wrote:
I love the trend to nerf high-sec, however I have to agree with the carebears that allowing NPC to drop items in LP store is very bad game design.

It might be temporary good to balance the high-sec and null but it really against the spirit of "sandbox game", that value of items are driven by players' need and decision to produce. Allowing NPC to drop items from LP store, not only for the idea about dropping SOE bpcs but also for any pirate faction bpcs, often does not show the will and decision made by players, because players are receiving the bpcs passively as a result of the looting table, because the reason players do anomaly/exploration/belt ratting is not to get factional bpcs (people run sites to get any item that can sell for isk).

NPC dropping LP store items can be compared to T2 BPOs, enhancing it just go against the good trend.


Unironic Goon vs boost to any space not under goon control posting.

Never mind your current stranglehold on cheap BPCs, never mind that little gem of a gift from CCP to you. Never mind you can obtain faction BPCs thru agents for those factions AS WELL as dropping from Commander level rats, ie http://www.ellatha.com/eve/lp/Guristas.

So please, tell me how allowing NPC's to drop items from LP store is so bad? Working as intended.

edit >> Also it may not have gone thru what passes as a mind for a Goon BUT the chip will need to be handed in at I am assuming an SOE station to obtain the BPC. I personally find that inellegant coding but I suppose having drones just drop the bpc's would be too easy for CCP :D
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#220 - 2014-02-20 01:33:05 UTC
Itago Gemulus wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Smalltimer wrote:
The Nestor is a beautiful looking ship without a cause.

RR Nestor gang has no place in this game?
20-30 billion isk remote repping battleship gang.
Now that would be something I'd like to see.
You would have people bat phoning half of new eden just to ***** on the killmails.


The dead nestors would make great for killboard stats. So yes RR Nestor gang certainly does have a place


20-30 billion gang isnt so extreme, sure if we are talking about 10-15 ships for that price (2b each) its a nice target, but if its 50 ships (400m each) with a strong spider tank you need to alpha to kill anything. Even with 10-15 ships you more or less need to alpha them to get a kill.
These ships can easily get 100-150k EHP before boosts/slaves and tank enough to survive a few max vindies shooting at them along with 7-800 dps
When thinking in terms of a gang, I figure around 10 to 15 people, much over that it has become a fleet which generally fights very differently to a gang.
Actually you don't need to alpha it, just bring EWAR and tackle. Remote reps are not worth a pinch of **** if they can't be applied.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.