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Burn Apanake - this weekend. RIP Mobile Tractor aggression shenanigans

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unidenify
Deaf Armada
#21 - 2014-01-31 20:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: unidenify
one simple bug that last 2 months, ganker cry about how CPP make it hard for them

it is like if they forget how to gank before bug exist...
Ekkentros Mercari
EVE Landscape Services
#22 - 2014-01-31 20:33:08 UTC
unidenify wrote:
one simple bug that last 2 months, ganker cry about how CPP make it hard for them

it is like if they forget how to gank before bug exist...

I'll spell it out for you.

It's nothing to do about making ganking hard. It's got everything to do with the fact CCP removed a mechanic that allowed emergent game play to occur. Worse: In doing so, CCP removed the mechanic that favoured only one type of player: AFK HiSec mission runners.

They removed a fun part of the game to help a portion of the player base ... not play the game.

Awesome.

TL;DR: Don't reply.

unidenify
Deaf Armada
#23 - 2014-01-31 20:53:21 UTC  |  Edited by: unidenify
Ekkentros Mercari wrote:
unidenify wrote:
one simple bug that last 2 months, ganker cry about how CPP make it hard for them

it is like if they forget how to gank before bug exist...

I'll spell it out for you.

It's nothing to do about making ganking hard. It's got everything to do with the fact CCP removed a mechanic that allowed emergent game play to occur. Worse: In doing so, CCP removed the mechanic that favoured only one type of player: AFK HiSec mission runners.

They removed a fun part of the game to help a portion of the player base ... not play the game.

Awesome.


sometime it is emergent game play, sometime it is unintended issue.

it is same idea as some players use ESS as trespasser detection system for Wormhole. But CPP state they will fix it...
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-01-31 21:03:07 UTC
unidenify wrote:
one simple bug that last 2 months, ganker cry about how CPP make it hard for them

it is like if they forget how to gank before bug exist...

Actually, no.

In my personal view this inspired action is about the bigger picture, protesting against the constant water-drip drumbeat of nerfs CCP keeps doing on its new quest to bend over whenever a carebear loses a ship and petitions, as they seek to acquire moar WoW-reject subscriptions.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#25 - 2014-01-31 21:09:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Alinia Ostus wrote:

To quote an excuse from one of you New Order guys, you have plenty of ways to gank...use them.
The ways to gank others in highsec are getting less and less, meanwhile CCP appear to be pandering to the ignorant, the lazy and the AFK, primarily because those groups of people keep whining to CCP when their stuff goes boom. They won't rest until highsec becomes the equivalent of a kids playground with no sharp edges or pointy objects, because they refuse to adapt to the dangers present.

Burn Apanake looks to be a protest by highsec gankers against the constant nerfing of their chosen playstyle and the gentrification of highsec. TBH I can't fault them for organising it, they've seen their playstyle getting nerfed time and time again over the years, while constantly adapting to the new constraints on what they do, unlike other groups who just whinge.

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Jebediah Beane
Trent Industries
BLACKFLAG.
#26 - 2014-01-31 21:25:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jebediah Beane
Ekkentros Mercari wrote:
unidenify wrote:
one simple bug that last 2 months, ganker cry about how CPP make it hard for them

it is like if they forget how to gank before bug exist...

I'll spell it out for you.

It's nothing to do about making ganking hard. It's got everything to do with the fact CCP removed a mechanic that allowed emergent game play to occur. Worse: In doing so, CCP removed the mechanic that favoured only one type of player: AFK HiSec mission runners.

They removed a fun part of the game to help a portion of the player base ... not play the game.

Awesome.


I'm inclined to agree 100%. Many of us like myself have sit in silence as CCP has slowly swung the nerf bat on high sec PVP in general. Their backing off on the MTU mechanic as intended appears to be the proverbial straw that has broken the camel's back.

I and many others have raised our concern about this in this forum and have received no response on why CCP changed their minds. Although I did witness a thread locked in general discussion that was CCP's way of trying to censor our concern and keep us quiet.

Now we're going to act on it.
SchadenfreudeSG
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-01-31 21:39:36 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Amateurs.


Douche.

Of course he's a douche, he's a Goon. He's also absolutely right.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#28 - 2014-01-31 22:19:28 UTC
I think them removing that mechanic from the mtu is the right thing to do. I also believe that ganking people in high sec is funny as shiit, so i endorse this venture.

No trolling please

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#29 - 2014-01-31 22:41:06 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
I think them removing that mechanic from the mtu is the right thing to do. I also believe that ganking people in high sec is funny as shiit, so i endorse this venture.



See if you can cobble together some like minded wh scanners. It might lead to some fun.
Bait'er De'Outlier
Trans-Aerospace Industries
#30 - 2014-01-31 22:50:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Bait'er De'Outlier
To put it in perspective for the detractors of this event:

1. To not go into limited engagement the players had to set their drone settings correctly. That's it pretty much for them not to get ganked. It's really simple step, it's not complicated.

When surprised by their ignorance of how something works rather than learn how to properly use something new in the game it was easier to complain until the thing they don't like gets nerfed by the game developer annoying people who liked it the way it was.

In my opinion ignorance followed by outrage brought on by their own ignorance should not triumph over people taking the time to learn and use the game as the designers intended.

2. If running ganks is how a group wants to play the game - whether for protest or fun (or both) then be grateful that they warned you it was coming by posting it here.

Aaaaaaand now to go that empty top belt and mine while making dinner....
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#31 - 2014-01-31 23:28:02 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alinia Ostus wrote:

To quote an excuse from one of you New Order guys, you have plenty of ways to gank...use them.
The ways to gank others in highsec are getting less and less, meanwhile CCP appear to be pandering to the ignorant, the lazy and the AFK, primarily because those groups of people keep whining to CCP when their stuff goes boom. They won't rest until highsec becomes the equivalent of a kids playground with no sharp edges or pointy objects, because they refuse to adapt to the dangers present.

Burn Apanake looks to be a protest by highsec gankers against the constant nerfing of their chosen playstyle and the gentrification of highsec. TBH I can't fault them for organising it, they've seen their playstyle getting nerfed time and time again over the years, while constantly adapting to the new constraints on what they do, unlike other groups who just whinge.



In my mind, it's part protest, part riot, and part celebration of a mechanic that - for a couple of weeks - encouraged mission runners to protect each other rather than relying upon CONCORD for protection.

I hope a great time is had by all. Maybe even some of the prey - I know my first PVP ship loss woke me up to what EVE could be.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Kara Valkyr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-02-01 03:51:31 UTC
I can vouch for these guys. Good times to be had!
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-02-01 03:58:02 UTC
SchadenfreudeSG wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Amateurs.


Douche.

Of course he's a douche, he's a Goon. He's also absolutely right.


And you aaaaaaare?

Oh yeah. Nobody of importance.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#34 - 2014-02-01 10:36:18 UTC
unidenify wrote:
one simple bug that last 2 months, ganker cry about how CPP make it hard for them

it is like if they forget how to gank before bug exist...


This is an opportunity to adapt care bear slaughter to the present game conditions.

When care bears lose from a game change they whine. When we lose from one, we organise and act decisively.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Alinia Ostus
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-02-01 15:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Alinia Ostus
Leto Thule wrote:
Alinia Ostus wrote:
So let me get this straight.

Because CCP did their job and removed a bug, you are going to go out and harass as many players as you can just cause the removal of said bug makes it SLIGHTLY harder to kill people.

To quote an excuse from one of you New Order guys, you have plenty of ways to gank...use them.

But don;t whine about it with some poxy 'burn Apanake' event. Makes you look like you are 4 years old.


Its a form of player protest because every day CCP slowly makes more concessions to carebears and makes it JUST THAT MUCH more of a single player game.

Here in C&P, we are about group activities, such as the one being planned for saturday. If you dont like it, get a fleet together (youll need to do this non-solo) and come to the party. You also wont make any ISK. (OH GOD!)

Missioners: make sure to petition all of your losses. CCP will totally whisk your ships back into exsistance because ganking is cheating/exploit and CONCORD is suppose to make you not die.


I have to respectfully disagree.

Bugs are not supposed to be in-game. Burn Jita was against micro-transactions. I would have taken part in that if I could have gotten into Jita without my client crashing from overload.

This however is a protest over CCP's doing their job and dealing a bug. As for other comments that there are less and less ways to gank, I presume you refer to the 'impersonation' clause added to the TOS/EULA that stops you impersonating other players for the purpose of scamming.

Put simply, no matter how much you whine or organize 'burn' events, CCP is not going to purposely break a mechanic just to make non-concord ganking easier.

Who cares? You are still perfectly capable of going out and blowing the crap out of any pilot you want or even challenging them to a duel should the fancy take you.

If its too lard to shoot people in high sec, why not visit some of the 'island' low secs (low sec systems surrounded by high sec) as some can be just as active as high sec...with the added bonus that you blow up the poor sods without worrying about CONCORD.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-02-01 16:09:31 UTC
Although not sure if I can attend this, I fully endorse the idea.

EVE needs more PvP players and less whiny carebears. And as CCP is just catering the carebears, the players must show that it's wrong and teach the carebears about the true nature of EVE.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#37 - 2014-02-01 16:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Alinia Ostus wrote:
I have to respectfully disagree.

Bugs are not supposed to be in-game. Burn Jita was against micro-transactions. I would have taken part in that if I could have gotten into Jita without my client crashing from overload.
Wrong answer for zero points. Burn Jita was a Goonswarm initiative to collect as many tears as possible in as short a time as possible, which coincided with with the removal of Mittens ban for being a drunken fool at fanfest, IIRC it was organised prior to him being banned.

The Jita riots were about microtransactions and happened in 2011.

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This however is a protest over CCP's doing their job and dealing a bug. As for other comments that there are less and less ways to gank, I presume you refer to the 'impersonation' clause added to the TOS/EULA that stops you impersonating other players for the purpose of scamming.
Scamming via impersonating others is nothing to do with ganking, one removes money from the greedy and the foolish, the other removes ships via explosions. The removal of ways to gank refers to the changes to can flipping and all of the other little paper-cuts that are slowly turning highsec into a paradise for the uninformed.

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Put simply, no matter how much you whine or organize 'burn' events, CCP is not going to purposely break a mechanic just to make non-concord ganking easier.

Who cares? You are still perfectly capable of going out and blowing the crap out of any pilot you want or even challenging them to a duel should the fancy take you.

If its too lard to shoot people in high sec, why not visit some of the 'island' low secs (low sec systems surrounded by high sec) as some can be just as active as high sec...with the added bonus that you blow up the poor sods without worrying about CONCORD.
You're one of those e-honour people aren't you?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Sniper Wolf18
Aggressive Diplomacy
#38 - 2014-02-01 16:28:10 UTC
Alinia Ostus wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Alinia Ostus wrote:
So let me get this straight.

Because CCP did their job and removed a bug, you are going to go out and harass as many players as you can just cause the removal of said bug makes it SLIGHTLY harder to kill people.

To quote an excuse from one of you New Order guys, you have plenty of ways to gank...use them.

But don;t whine about it with some poxy 'burn Apanake' event. Makes you look like you are 4 years old.


Its a form of player protest because every day CCP slowly makes more concessions to carebears and makes it JUST THAT MUCH more of a single player game.

Here in C&P, we are about group activities, such as the one being planned for saturday. If you dont like it, get a fleet together (youll need to do this non-solo) and come to the party. You also wont make any ISK. (OH GOD!)

Missioners: make sure to petition all of your losses. CCP will totally whisk your ships back into exsistance because ganking is cheating/exploit and CONCORD is suppose to make you not die.


I have to respectfully disagree.

Bugs are not supposed to be in-game. Burn Jita was against micro-transactions. I would have taken part in that if I could have gotten into Jita without my client crashing from overload.


This however is a protest over CCP's doing their job and dealing a bug. As for other comments that there are less and less ways to gank, I presume you refer to the 'impersonation' clause added to the TOS/EULA that stops you impersonating other players for the purpose of scamming.

Put simply, no matter how much you whine or organize 'burn' events, CCP is not going to purposely break a mechanic just to make non-concord ganking easier.

Who cares? You are still perfectly capable of going out and blowing the crap out of any pilot you want or even challenging them to a duel should the fancy take you.

If its too lard to shoot people in high sec, why not visit some of the 'island' low secs (low sec systems surrounded by high sec) as some can be just as active as high sec...with the added bonus that you blow up the poor sods without worrying about CONCORD.



Wow, you're really going all out, aren't you. You want attention this badly?
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In other news I have completely failed everyone in this thread, for now anyway; I've still not brought those catalysts I've promised. Due in part to waking up at the frankly absurd hour of 1600 and also due to not having anyone online to delegate the horrible task for hauling those catalysts down to apanake. Hopefully the cats will be delivered before the event starts, if not, expect them do be delivered shortly after, I'll bring them down one by one if I have to.
I'll also be entering the fray on an alt, who I'll link in the 'burn apanake' channel. I'll see if I can't get a few other 'honest souls' to come with me.
Alinia Ostus
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-02-01 16:29:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alinia Ostus
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You're one of those e-honour people aren't you?


Hell no, I once took an idiot for a couple of billion isk. I;m just saying don;t whine just cause a bug/exploit you used to bypass CONCORD was removed. It coulda been alot worse...CCP could have labelled it an exploit and banned anyone using said trick
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-02-01 18:06:22 UTC
Alinia Ostus wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Alinia Ostus wrote:
So let me get this straight.

Because CCP did their job and removed a bug, you are going to go out and harass as many players as you can just cause the removal of said bug makes it SLIGHTLY harder to kill people.

To quote an excuse from one of you New Order guys, you have plenty of ways to gank...use them.

But don;t whine about it with some poxy 'burn Apanake' event. Makes you look like you are 4 years old.


Its a form of player protest because every day CCP slowly makes more concessions to carebears and makes it JUST THAT MUCH more of a single player game.

Here in C&P, we are about group activities, such as the one being planned for saturday. If you dont like it, get a fleet together (youll need to do this non-solo) and come to the party. You also wont make any ISK. (OH GOD!)

Missioners: make sure to petition all of your losses. CCP will totally whisk your ships back into exsistance because ganking is cheating/exploit and CONCORD is suppose to make you not die.


I have to respectfully disagree.

Bugs are not supposed to be in-game. Burn Jita was against micro-transactions. I would have taken part in that if I could have gotten into Jita without my client crashing from overload.

This however is a protest over CCP's doing their job and dealing a bug. As for other comments that there are less and less ways to gank, I presume you refer to the 'impersonation' clause added to the TOS/EULA that stops you impersonating other players for the purpose of scamming.

Put simply, no matter how much you whine or organize 'burn' events, CCP is not going to purposely break a mechanic just to make non-concord ganking easier.

Who cares? You are still perfectly capable of going out and blowing the crap out of any pilot you want or even challenging them to a duel should the fancy take you.

If its too lard to shoot people in high sec, why not visit some of the 'island' low secs (low sec systems surrounded by high sec) as some can be just as active as high sec...with the added bonus that you blow up the poor sods without worrying about CONCORD.


I don't live in hisec dude. I'm aware of the lack of concord. That's not the point.

The point is that it wasn't a bug. It wasn't an exploit. It was working as intended and had undergone play testing on sisi. The bears cry about it and its "fixed".

We are all aware they won't be replacing the mechanic. That's also not the point. I guess you don't get it.

I'll be joining the event as soon as I get off work.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment