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[IDEA] - Make Warp Core Stabilizers ACTIVE

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Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-31 08:48:17 UTC
It's in the title

Make warp core stabs an active module so if you get capped out they're useless.

Could also make them expensive cap wise by making the module cost a % of the amount of cap required to warp. Meaning they scale with ship size.

For warp core stab users. This would mean that you would only feel the negative effects of WCS's while they're active. As in - when you need them.


Fairly simple idea.

Feedback please.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-01-31 09:35:26 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
This would mean that you would only feel the negative effects of WCS's while they're active.


No.
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-01-31 09:46:26 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
This would mean that you would only feel the negative effects of WCS's while they're active.


No.



Don't you like the idea of being able to disable WCS's?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2014-01-31 09:53:59 UTC
Might as well ask for them to be removed from the game, it is basically the same thing.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#5 - 2014-01-31 10:02:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
The penalty to WCS's is the lack of targeting range...thus balanced. They use a Low slot which is also balanced as damage mods etc go in here.

Why is this needed? What "issue" does this aim to solve?

-1 from me I'm afraid, just not needed.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-01-31 10:35:32 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Don't you like the idea of being able to disable WCS's?


Fit more scrams...

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Julius Rigel
#7 - 2014-01-31 10:35:48 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Don't you like the idea of being able to disable WCS's?
You can offline them if you like. You can online them again later, although that's going to cost a bit of cap.

The whole point of warp stabs is to trade fitting and sensor resources for points in warp strength. You don't need to target stuff when you warp, so it would be pointless to have the drawback if it only reduced your targeting capabilities when you needed to warp.

If it's such a big problem, and offlining the stabs isn't an adequate solution for you, then just bring along a depot and fit stabs when you need to warp, then refit to something else when you don't.

You really have a lot of options already.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#8 - 2014-01-31 10:54:52 UTC
-1 for the reasons already listed.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-01-31 11:01:44 UTC
Even if you can neut someone dry before they went to warp, the WCS would still remain effective until they complete their cycle and most ships would be long gone by then.

You haven't stated whether it should have a fast cycle time with minimal cap usage or long cycle time with large cap usage. Which is pretty relevant to the idea.

The cap issues created would particularly hurt new pilots with poor cap skills, when in travel fit mode.

Then you haven't even addressed the issue of AFK/Autopilot people.

I'm not offering any opinions on this. Just that the OP needs to consider all scenarios and issues, not post a half baked idea which doesn't even state the particular issue he is trying to address.
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#10 - 2014-01-31 12:35:23 UTC
+1
Also make WCS like mwds, they deactivate when scrammed.

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Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#11 - 2014-01-31 12:42:25 UTC
this idea is terrible and just an excuse to try and get pvp ships fitted with stabs again which was terrible in the first place they reason they are how they are is so pvp ships laugh at the idea of having them fitted if they're going out to a fight if you made them need cap all you'd do is if it was looking like you were going to lose you'd turn it on hit warp and then it dosen't matter if you don't make it to where you were going to warp to as it'd just drop you in a safe spot so you could wait for you cap to regen reload your guns and rep any damage

-infinity for this idea
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#12 - 2014-01-31 12:48:05 UTC
Electrique Wizard wrote:
+1
Also make WCS like mwds, they deactivate when scrammed.


rather defeats the object of WCS's, no?

if the original idea was true, you'd never turn them on until you needed them, so they become less of a penalty to fit..... which I disagree with, as I think they're balanced as is.

unleeeeeessssssss, you only get the extra warp core strength at the end of the cycle, if the module remains active, make it a large cap drain with LOOONG cycle time..... but then no-one would bother, I imagine....

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.

Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-31 13:20:29 UTC
Gawain Edmond wrote:
this idea is terrible and just an excuse to try and get pvp ships fitted with stabs again which was terrible in the first place they reason they are how they are is so pvp ships laugh at the idea of having them fitted if they're going out to a fight if you made them need cap all you'd do is if it was looking like you were going to lose you'd turn it on hit warp and then it dosen't matter if you don't make it to where you were going to warp to as it'd just drop you in a safe spot so you could wait for you cap to regen reload your guns and rep any damage

-infinity for this idea



The idea is that if you didn't have the capacitor available you wouldn't be able to turn it on.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-01-31 13:24:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Gawain Edmond wrote:
this idea is terrible and just an excuse to try and get pvp ships fitted with stabs again which was terrible in the first place they reason they are how they are is so pvp ships laugh at the idea of having them fitted if they're going out to a fight if you made them need cap all you'd do is if it was looking like you were going to lose you'd turn it on hit warp and then it dosen't matter if you don't make it to where you were going to warp to as it'd just drop you in a safe spot so you could wait for you cap to regen reload your guns and rep any damage

-infinity for this idea



The idea is that if you didn't have the capacitor available you wouldn't be able to turn it on.

So add a cap booster and you're gold.

You really haven't thought it through have you?
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#15 - 2014-01-31 13:57:17 UTC
If anything, WCS should keep their targeting (aka combat) penalties and gain a reduction to the cap needed to initiate warp, and a buff to warp speed.

They are warp stabilizers. They improve warp, not degrade it.

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Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-01-31 14:32:25 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
This would mean that you would only feel the negative effects of WCS's while they're active.


No.


Don't you like the idea of being able to disable WCS's?


I don't like the idea of being able to fit WCS without penalties.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#17 - 2014-01-31 15:04:55 UTC
Iterating on the idea
wcs still gives penalty for equipping but no core stability until activatsd and then say usage us 10% of total cap pool. The idea as op suggested was to make wcs situational and not provide the get out jail free card it does now. Under current fw situations any quad wcs fit frigate would cap itself out and be unabke to warp in 2 cycles. A fair penalty for the possibility of escape under all normal circumstances if you ask me.
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-02-01 14:04:37 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Iterating on the idea
wcs still gives penalty for equipping but no core stability until activatsd and then say usage us 10% of total cap pool. The idea as op suggested was to make wcs situational and not provide the get out jail free card it does now. Under current fw situations any quad wcs fit frigate would cap itself out and be unabke to warp in 2 cycles. A fair penalty for the possibility of escape under all normal circumstances if you ask me.



This is what I was suggesting. I don't want any of the penalties of using a WCS to be removed, I simply am suggesting that the module become an active module.

So, A ship would jump into a system and initiate a war... this costs cap.
Said ship then activates their WCS's to escape pirates. However the cost of their initial warp and the cost of activating WCS's has capped them out meaning they can't activate all of their WCS's.

Other scenarios can be theory crafted.

I basically don't like the idea of multi stabbed ships being able to freely move around.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#19 - 2014-02-01 14:10:11 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
This would mean that you would only feel the negative effects of WCS's while they're active.


No.

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#20 - 2014-02-01 14:11:47 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
It's in the title

Make warp core stabs an active module so if you get capped out they're useless.

Could also make them expensive cap wise by making the module cost a % of the amount of cap required to warp. Meaning they scale with ship size.

For warp core stab users. This would mean that you would only feel the negative effects of WCS's while they're active. As in - when you need them.


Fairly simple idea.

Feedback please.


Quit whining about Warp Core Stabs. fit more point or fly with Infinity point Heavy Dic.

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