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Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-31 05:43:57 UTC
So i was trying to think of ways to counter a bomber hot drop and i have some questions if anyone is willing to amuse the idea.

So i was thinking, the most likely ship to be able to survive and repel a bomber hot drop would be a Golem.
4 rapid heavy missile launchers +bastion and an auto targeter (5 sec to target a dozen or so bombers)
full rack of hardeners (double em) couple of xl asb
rigs shield/damage app? whatever.
lows bcs' + dcu

So if someone would be so kind, how much damage could a set up like this tank? And how many bombers could it tank?
Would a MJJ be worth a mid slot?
Would it just be too much expense for the risk?

Let me know what you guys think.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-01-31 11:11:38 UTC
If they throw Purifiers at you and add a Pilgrim to the mix, that fit is going to be in deep trouble - if you get capped out and your hardeners shut down, they'll open up a gaping EM hole even with a bastion module running.

You've got to figure that a black-ops drop will include force recons, and there's a fair chance that they'll send at least one Black Ops battleship along.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#3 - 2014-01-31 12:06:36 UTC
Who the **** drops bombers


Who the **** is going to wait around for a golem to lock up each SB and pelt it with rapid lights


Who the **** isn't just going to melt your stupid golem with the sig of a small moon and 0 velocity
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#4 - 2014-01-31 12:54:44 UTC
I think it's foolish on many reasons.

1. Who "hotdrops" with stealth bombers? Any BLOPS group worth their salt will mostly be Recons + BLOPS BSs + T3s. In this case you can guarantee a neuting boat such as a Pilgrim or Legion will be fielded and thus ruining your day.

2. Why not make a max DPS fit for a Nemesis or something, then make a Golem fit. Compare numbers and see how many Nemesis' worth of DPS it will take to kill you. I can give you the short answer: Not a lot. It's called your own research instead of asking us to go do the math for you.

3. Further, why would you throw an easily 1.5b ISK ship at a group of stealth bombers, worth no more collectively than 500m in a small bombing gang? That's just asking to be escalated against or blobbed. See #1 for likely opponents if you roll in a Golem.

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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-01-31 17:34:54 UTC
Bomber hot drops were a thing in null when I was out there - of course, they weren't just torpedo bombers; they could actually throw bombs as well, and a bunch of relative amateurs in stealth bombers could do a lot of damage in the blink of an eye. Of course, the bombers were supported by recons, Falcons and Arazus and the occasional Pilgrim, and often we'd have a Black Ops jump through with us, not just to provide a return bridge, but to throw out a little more pain.

I suspect it's just a lot less common in low because a frigate fleet can be whistled up too quickly to counter it, and SBs tend to get murderized by properly fit and flown combat frigates if they're caught in mid-attack...

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#6 - 2014-02-01 02:15:14 UTC
When I was in null the only time I saw bombers was during ops, and usually to support a larger group fighting another group or to fire bombs off on a group of tier 3s burning through structures. So if things have changed then they have changed for the curiouser if hotdropping with only bombers is a thing.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-02-02 12:44:23 UTC
Erutpar Ambient wrote:
So i was trying to think of ways to counter a bomber hot drop and i have some questions if anyone is willing to amuse the idea.

So i was thinking, the most likely ship to be able to survive and repel a bomber hot drop would be a Golem.
4 rapid heavy missile launchers +bastion and an auto targeter (5 sec to target a dozen or so bombers)
full rack of hardeners (double em) couple of xl asb
rigs shield/damage app? whatever.
lows bcs' + dcu

So if someone would be so kind, how much damage could a set up like this tank? And how many bombers could it tank?
Would a MJJ be worth a mid slot?
Would it just be too much expense for the risk?

Let me know what you guys think.



We killed a 3.5 bill ratting golem with just interceptors. After it realised it couldn't run it did try bastion. Bombers will make short work of your tank. The people that bring more than bombers will jut have an easier time of it.
Any competent blops will always kill the target once initial point is grabbed, Carrier /T2 BS /whatever. it doen't matter.
Todays lesson is avoid that inital point by not making yourself a target or not getting found.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-02-03 02:11:10 UTC
best way to stop bombers... Coraxes... or Caracals just keep AB'ing and they wont do **** to you

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#9 - 2014-02-03 04:23:41 UTC
intys, you can even outrun those torpedoes
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-02-06 22:26:44 UTC
A golem would not be very good as a counter to a bomber hot-drop. If anything a golem would act as honey and attract a bomber hot-drop. The torpedo DPS output of even a fairly small bomber drop gang would melt an unsupported golem before it managed to lock and apply damage to even one of the bombers. Also bomber-drop gangs are often supplemented with recons … and their bonused EW is going to nullify any chance at all of your even scratching the paintwork on one of the bombers. If it’s a bomber hot-drop gang that you’re dealing with it is likely that you will initially be tackled by a recon … and that will often be a specialized buffer-tanked falcon > rapier ≥ arazu.

Bomber drops *are* real and are pretty common out in the seedy depths of nullsec, so please don’t believe otherwise. Some people like the epeen approach of dropping small gangs of BLOPS BSs, but for every BLOPS-BS drop there are dozens and dozens of bomber drops happening. Still, an unsupported golem will also die rapidly to a small BLOPS-BS gang.

The best ‘counter’ to a bomber hot-drop is to not get dropped.
Other than that you have some defensive options and, arguably, some offensive options. An MJD fitted BS can cause great embarrassment to a bomber gang that does not get a scram on you, and smart-bombs have the potential to wound some bombers before you die.
Other than that it’s usually a matter of being bait in a well setup ambush for the bombers, and that is not a one-person effort. Well flown small fast ships are generally the nemesis of bombers … ceptors, frigates, destroyers, and dictors.

Just my tuppence :-)

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