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Junior Federation Navy officers call for hammer blow against Caldari State.
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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-01-31 00:16:15 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
While the Levi is able to take the most about of damage and shrug it off, it also does the least. The Oblivion does a specific type of damage that other capital ship across the board are more capable to withstand. Furthermore, most capitals are armor tanked, so the Levi's bonuses, while nice, are not needed.


Basically this. Nullsec blobs almost always forsake the tanking abilities of their ships for damage output. Because fleet engagements are rarely a free-fire environment, and usually focusing on one target, breaking a ship, no matter how great it's defenses are is only a matter of time (provided enough numbers are deployed).

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#22 - 2014-01-31 00:30:09 UTC
Yes! Yes! Now is the time to crush the Minmatar Republic under the weight of the Amarr Empire's Avatars!

This battle demonstrated the superiority of the Holy Amarrian Avatar — shining gold like the fist of God — over that pathetic pile of rust only a subhuman race could dream up known as the Ragnarok. Both sides fielded Avatars in huge numbers — I even heard that the losing side in the battle may have blundered early on by focusing on a notable pilot's Avatar which absorbed huge amounts of damage.

On the other hand, the Ragnaroks were blown off the field like a breeze sweeping away dust.

This is a sign from God! May the Empress in her wisdom seize this opportunity to Reclaim the Minmatar!
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2014-01-31 00:43:38 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Yes! Yes! Now is the time to crush the Minmatar Republic under the weight of the Amarr Empire's Avatars!

This battle demonstrated the superiority of the Holy Amarrian Avatar — shining gold like the fist of God — over that pathetic pile of rust only a subhuman race could dream up known as the Ragnarok. Both sides fielded Avatars in huge numbers — I even heard that the losing side in the battle may have blundered early on by focusing on a notable pilot's Avatar which absorbed huge amounts of damage.

On the other hand, the Ragnaroks were blown off the field like a breeze sweeping away dust.

This is a sign from God! May the Empress in her wisdom seize this opportunity to Reclaim the Minmatar!


Honestly, Nauplius, if I had to compare the Avatar to a human organ, it wouldn't be a fist.

... I'm still wondering whether or not that design was intentional.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#24 - 2014-01-31 00:57:39 UTC
You've got a one-track mind, Mr Baracca.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#25 - 2014-01-31 02:21:27 UTC
An adoption of a total war policy to avert total war... Yah, that'll work.

Maybe I should apply to instruct a Reality 101 course at the FNA. It would make just a bit more sense than this.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2014-01-31 02:48:37 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
You've got a one-track mind, Mr Baracca.



... I can't comment on the veracity of that statement, but it's true! I can't be the only one that sees it. I mean, all of them are sort making an attempt, but the Avatar is just... I mean, it has to be intentional. Look at it!

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-01-31 02:52:56 UTC
I'm flying back to the Federation for the day...

Once there, I'm going to the FNA, and will be spending several hours rapidly slapping each of these future Military Geniuses (sic) in the head until their neurons start firing again...

Because I KNOW that, Gutter Press or not, this so something you would hear in an FNA classroom after you get a new batch of officer hopefuls in. This is the sort of discussion my instructor used to hit cadets with a yardstick, or a chalk dust laden old eraser, for having. It's too stupid to make up.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-01-31 03:04:04 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
While the Levi is able to take the most about of damage and shrug it off, it also does the least. The Oblivion does a specific type of damage that other capital ship across the board are more capable to withstand. Furthermore, most capitals are armor tanked, so the Levi's bonuses, while nice, are not needed.


Basically this. Nullsec blobs almost always forsake the tanking abilities of their ships for damage output. Because fleet engagements are rarely a free-fire environment, and usually focusing on one target, breaking a ship, no matter how great it's defenses are is only a matter of time (provided enough numbers are deployed).


What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. Everyone is now dumber for having read it.

If you look at all the CFC ship losses, every single one of them was tanked to the max. Sort Dragon's titan lasted hours. Dreads are tanked to withstand more than one doomsday. The Archon is the standard carrier because of its tanking ability.
Most line battleships forgo damage mods in favor of tank.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#29 - 2014-01-31 03:06:45 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
You've got a one-track mind, Mr Baracca.



... I can't comment on the veracity of that statement, but it's true! I can't be the only one that sees it. I mean, all of them are sort making an attempt, but the Avatar is just... I mean, it has to be intentional. Look at it!

Looks like a mushroom to me ...

/frown

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-01-31 03:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

If you look at all the CFC ship losses, every single one of them was tanked to the max.


I rest my case. Their tank did nothing because in the end, they still died. Your allegedly well tanked subcapitals were slaughtered by N3 forces. Another thing you seem to forget is that most ships receive repairs from dedicated support ships, making a tank redundant. The reason the CFC flagship survived so long was not because of it's tank, but because of literally support ship repairing it. Also take note that before this strategy was used, N3/PL were gaining the lead in the battle. However, we all know what happened next.

The CFC, where the only thing you need to know about combat is how to fire your ship's guns when told to fire. Your battles are won by your brilliant commanders, not those fighting said battles.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-01-31 04:04:05 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

If you look at all the CFC ship losses, every single one of them was tanked to the max.


I rest my case. Their tank did nothing because in the end, they still died. Your allegedly well tanked subcapitals were slaughtered by N3 forces. Another thing you seem to forget is that most ships receive repairs from dedicated support ships, making a tank redundant. The reason the CFC flagship survived so long was not because of it's tank, but because of literally support ship repairing it. Also take note that before this strategy was used, N3/PL were gaining the lead in the battle. However, we all know what happened next.

The CFC, where the only thing you need to know about combat is how to fire your ship's guns when told to fire. Your battles are won by your brilliant commanders, not those fighting said battles.

Have you fought in null? Do you know anything about it? On second thought, I am done.
If you want to remain an idiot, listen to him and not me.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#32 - 2014-01-31 04:32:12 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Another thing you seem to forget is that most ships receive repairs from dedicated support ships, making a tank redundant.

I always thought tanks were there to keep you alive long enough for the support ships to get to you. That doesn't sound like redundancy to me.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-01-31 04:47:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

Have you fought in null? Do you know anything about it? On second thought, I am done.
If you want to remain an idiot, listen to him and not me.


Yes and yes.

Interestingly enough, you state that the Leviathan isn't used due to having an amazing tank, yet pitiful offensive capabilities. Then in your pathetic trolling attempts, you start boasting about the CFCs use of tank heavy ships despite saying Leviathans weren't used because of this purpose. You've managed to contradict yourself hilariously.

Leaving so soon? Starting to realize the insignificance of your membership in the CFC? You are a button pusher, not a pilot. Your only contribution to the CFC is your ability to sit around and wait for the orders to push buttons.

The creature that represents the Goons is a honey bee for a reason. It's members are obedient, mindless, many in number, easy to replace, and only perform a few simple functions. Unless you are one of the people in charge of a fleet, blob warfare takes zero skill. Are you capable of listening? Are you capable of pressing one button? Congrats, you're qualified to become a blob warrior.

Your unwarranted hostility and inability to address anything I say suggests that you've lost this one. Which was a foreseeable outcome to be honest. Your superiors are certainly not going to waste their time telling you what to say on the IGS.

Claudia Osyn wrote:

I always thought tanks were there to keep you alive long enough for the support ships to get to you. That doesn't sound like redundancy to me.


In epic engagements such as the one in B-R, anything that isn't a cap will be dead the instant it's declared the primary target. Even the most well tanked battleship will not survive the massive influx of firepower before the support can help. Capital ships fare better, but when you have Titans on the field, their doomsday devices will bring your demise in literally a flash. Supercaps obviously are hard to kill, even if you throw everything you have at it. However as we saw with the CFC flagship, even the most well tanked and supported ship will succumb to incoming fire if there is enough of it.

Massive tanks can be battle winners, especially when sported by a supercap. However, it's possible that N3/PL forces would of maintained their lead and won the battle if they kept doing what they were doing. Targeting the small fry before going for the big fish.

Of course, I was not at the battle nor am I a fleet commander, so I'm probably not the best person to discuss what the other commanders should have done.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
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