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ESS is Broken PLZ FIX

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2014-01-30 23:42:46 UTC
Moridin Mandarb wrote:
So let me get this straight - Sleepers don't have bounties. Which means that the drawback of the ESS, the ratting penalty doesn't apply. Yet with one active, you get LP for each kill.

Am I missing something here?


Uh, yes.

Because the amount of LP it gives is proportional to the amount of ISK it gives. So if it isn't giving ISK, it isn't giving LP.

Meaning the whole thing was just a bug that allowed you to see people entering a wormhole.
Moridin Mandarb
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#82 - 2014-01-30 23:49:22 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Moridin Mandarb wrote:
So let me get this straight - Sleepers don't have bounties. Which means that the drawback of the ESS, the ratting penalty doesn't apply. Yet with one active, you get LP for each kill.

Am I missing something here?


Uh, yes.

Because the amount of LP it gives is proportional to the amount of ISK it gives. So if it isn't giving ISK, it isn't giving LP.

Meaning the whole thing was just a bug that allowed you to see people entering a wormhole.



Ah. Gotcha.

I dunno - I kinda like the idea of "an intruder has entered the system" deployable in WH space. But that's just me.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-01-31 00:51:10 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
There was a 100 page treadnaught where we all tried to tell CCP that this ESS thing was stupid, unwanted and just plain broken. Of couse they didn't listen.

That sort of complaining just proved to the folks in Reykjavik that they were on the right track for harvesting all those tears.
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#84 - 2014-01-31 00:58:26 UTC
Moridin Mandarb wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
Moridin Mandarb wrote:
So let me get this straight - Sleepers don't have bounties. Which means that the drawback of the ESS, the ratting penalty doesn't apply. Yet with one active, you get LP for each kill.

Am I missing something here?


Uh, yes.

Because the amount of LP it gives is proportional to the amount of ISK it gives. So if it isn't giving ISK, it isn't giving LP.

Meaning the whole thing was just a bug that allowed you to see people entering a wormhole.



Ah. Gotcha.

I dunno - I kinda like the idea of "an intruder has entered the system" deployable in WH space. But that's just me.



thats because youre a null bear. the wormhole community doesnt need/want this

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#85 - 2014-01-31 03:49:08 UTC
Damn first addition to wormhole content and it's getting removed :-(

Still good decision, would have made this stuff a little too easy

Yaay!!!!
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#86 - 2014-01-31 04:05:48 UTC
45thtiger 0109 wrote:
What you mean to say a bug hole not a wormhole bahahahaahah LolP


Yeeeeeeaaaaaah!

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Ruub Kers
Pixel Knights
Dead Pixels Inc
#87 - 2014-01-31 10:10:31 UTC
Lol well I like it. Lol
Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
#88 - 2014-01-31 14:43:43 UTC
Eva Ersatz wrote:
Quote:

Maybe this episode will provide the inspiration for a deployable designed for the purpose. With some tweaking, some kind of intel gathering tool might make things interesting.

Like a deployable surveillance system that could inform the user of encounters? Blink Kidding aside, that would be cool.

Heh, I see your point. The most accurate name has already been taken. But yeah, my interpretation was that the ESS was always intended as a more PvE-centric deployable.

EVE's backstory certainly supports 'tripwire' technology though and was a key part of the Gallente-Caldari escalation as I recall. It would be a comfortable fit in both gameplay and storyline terms if done correctly.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#89 - 2014-01-31 15:42:22 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey guys, just to let you know this is a bug and the team has a fix in the pipeline to be deployed as soon as possible.

We'll keep you updated.
Damn it. Someone finds a use for this thing and you go and nerf it. Lol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#90 - 2014-01-31 15:53:44 UTC
Well then. I gotta go buy some ****.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
James Arget
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#91 - 2014-01-31 16:05:22 UTC
After talking with CCP Soniclover, the ESS will be unusable in wspace come Monday.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#92 - 2014-01-31 16:06:55 UTC
James Arget wrote:
After talking with CCP Soniclover, the ESS will be unusable in wspace come Monday.
So no chance of simply removing the bad idea?

Yea, thought so.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Combat Wombatz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2014-01-31 16:09:44 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey guys, just to let you know this is a bug and the team has a fix in the pipeline to be deployed as soon as possible.

We'll keep you updated.



Why? It actually made the ESS useful.
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#94 - 2014-01-31 16:22:53 UTC
James Arget wrote:
After talking with CCP Soniclover, the ESS will be unusable in wspace come Monday.

I'm not a nullbear or anything, but I can agree with everyone that claims the ESS is a bad idea. I like the little gimmicks CCP is releasing, but this one is bad overall. I'm willing to overlook the d-scan inhibitor because I can see myself having fun with it in dark, twisted ways.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
matarkhan
ConHugeCo
#95 - 2014-01-31 16:52:13 UTC
Hey, look, a perfect example of why CCP needs to make it easier to test wormhole things on SISI.

This has been a problem since wormholes were added to EVE all those years ago -- it's nigh on impossible to get characters into wormholes unless they were in them when the last migration was made.

99% of pilots don't use SISI, so they don't try to probe their way out of space, so wormhole entrances are impossible to find.

CCP, PLEASE give us some sort of way to find wormholes on SIS so that we can avoid situations like this.
Richouse Gallentry
Blue-Fire
#96 - 2014-01-31 22:49:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Richouse Gallentry
Dmitry Wizard wrote:
no sleepers dont have bounties. and wormholes with one static can still be looked at with it. it doesnt belong.


Yes, most wormholes have one static.

But honestly, most WHs have multiple holes that are drilled in and out if em at any given time. and it's impossible for a WH to place one of these things on a hole that I just drilled into.

Which just so happens to be where most of the WH PvP comes from...

1) Drill into a hole... notice wrecks on d-scan. And whola! A gank scenario is created! Just as always!
2) When the gank has been performed, the WH residents either re-ship and partake in honorable PvP, hide in their POS, or log off. Just as always.
3) ESS in wormholes allows those that live in a WH to watch 1 hole without a scout on it. That's it! It doesn't prevent PvP, cause most folks that notice someone entering system, are more likely to hop into a ship and greet them, rather than continue with their semi-AFK activities.
Richouse Gallentry
Blue-Fire
#97 - 2014-01-31 23:00:52 UTC
James Arget wrote:
After talking with CCP Soniclover, the ESS will be unusable in wspace come Monday.


I think you should put the brakes on the idea of removing the effect of ESS in wormholes. Since the effect of ESS is nothing close to as is feared by wormhole residents, why remove its usefulness from wormhole space?! CCP can always make a change or a tweak to it when and if it becomes necessary. However, if you nerf every tool CCP creates for EVE to include a "not in wormholes clause", CCP may just have to spin wormholes off into it's own game!

When this happens, I call "naming rights" dibs on it!