EVE General Discussion

Nothing happened because CCP showed numbers, charts and graphs to show that the majority of the players were still using DX9/10 cards.

If I recall CCP had said there was no need for a DX11 client.

Oh and now they are working on a DX11 optional client, go figure.

Stop beeing silly.

First of all, citation needed on the claimed psychological effects there. I've got plenty 'inter-connectedness' with the people I fly with and there are plenty of others who do too without WIS. Secondly, don't even pretend this is about subscribers, because the game has continued to increase in subscriptions every year, steadily, without fail and without WIS. Just be honest and say you want it, because there are plenty of other people who want it too and there is nothing wrong with asking for what you want. Whether it's needed, is practical to implement or produces any demonstrably functional or meaningful content is another argument entirely, because all you're doing is addressing the social aspect and to be frank, EVE has everything that any other online video game has to socialise with others.

I was honest plenty of posts back, I'm curious about the interiors of my ships and I can imagine WIS would give me an opportunity to experience that, but it's nothing more than a curiosity and any aspects of functionality to that are lost in the lore of the capsuleer anyway, not to mention lost in the flavour of the game in general. I'm sure there are functional and meaningful ways to implement WIS, but whether or not it is worth either the development time or bloating the client files is another matter, and something I'd rather CCP take their time with to very carefully think out before introducing anything on top of what we already have.

Let's just put things in perspective here for a moment though, shall we?

Raise your hands everyone that subbed to this game with its lack of ambulation in mind.

Now raise your hands everyone that subbed to this game because of the spaceship content.

Also I just remembered something.

Anyone else remember the last fanfest where CCP Guard asked everyone how they feel about that door finally being able to open? This shows that they want to finish WIS, its just that they dont want to **** off the player base again.

Also, anyone remember the response? It was hilarious.

It started out with the room being silent with surprise until about 15% started clapping and cheering with Guard getting excited. That lead to about 60% of the rest booing loudly to counter act it. You could actually hear the people that where clapping for it go "oh wait a second.. noo.. I didn't meant to clap.. what I meant to say was BOOOOO!" lol Because the people for it got intimidated.

Wathcing Gaurd go from "HELLS YEA!" to "ummm ya ya ya I get it" in 7 seconds about made me crap myself laughing.

Nick Yee = my personal Jesus.

How many expansions cough patches does it take they had 10 years mb it would be nice if they finished wis and cough actually added content to the game..... New ships and balancing is not content...

Incursions were added to EVE Online on 18 January 2011 <<< that's the last resemblance of actual content they have added.

call me a hater... Tell me to go play another game doesn't matter.. I like eve but i also like if the people i give my money to actually adds stuff to the game i play....

Hi, I’m a member of your hated “anti” crowd.

Just for the record, I have no issue with WiS itself. If it gets added to the game at some point in the future then that’s grand.
However, the problem I have is that dev time would be diverted from things like POSes, SOV and the drone interface. To me, and the parts of eve that I play in, these are waaaaay more important than WiS. Given that I have CQ turned off, I doubt I would even use it anyway.
Now, I’ve heard all the counter arguments (different devs, they can work on more than one thing at once etc etc) but, the fact that they haven’t fixed other issues in the game after literally years of the player base asking for fixes does not bode well.

Put simply, there are still too many issues with core components of the game to be implementing a whole new aspect of eve. Fix what is broken, then look at WiS and I’d be on your side.


EDIT. Didn't Hatthor have red hair? Or have I just watched too much SG-1?

Seconded, don't generalise.

This is not a citation, it is a blog, with links to other blogs and no citations. Again, citation needed. Just because something is titled 'psychology' doesn't mean it is psychology.




Yes, about that. As I've noted previously, on many occasions, something I also note that you consistently ignore, the majority of MMORPGs available to play are centered around avatar gameplay already, thus character generation is an important aspect. Granting this blog the benefit of the doubt for the moment and pretending, for arguments sake, that it's legitimate psychology, EVE stands apart from other MMOs in that its primary mechanics are focused on spaceship gameplay, with avatar gameplay being an afterthought. Once again, this is not an argument for introducing avatar gameplay, it is only an argument supporting improving avatar gameplay and character generation in a game that is, at the core of its mechanics, about characters instead of spaceships.

There are plenty of ships in the game that are worth more than that monocle of yours. The Utu, Chremoas, Freki, Malice, and Moracha to name but a few. In the end, you never addressed the perspective I asked you to consider. How many people subbed this game for the ambulation, and how many for the spaceships? Because I guarantee you, everyone will put their hands up for the latter, but not all for the former. That means spaceships are the priority, ambulation and avatar gameplay an afterthought in this particular MMORPG, one I doubt that blog had in mind on November 3, 2003, when EVE was just beginning to exist.

Seriously, even if your citations are terrible, at least make sure they're up to date, please.

Correction: upon further investigation, the author is indeed a qualified expert on the subject and is highly cited by gaming scholars, he appears to know what he is talking about, but he is addressing aspects that are common to MMOs that aren't EVE. Other than the psychology criticism, which I partially retract (it still isn't a citation, it is a blog), my other points still stand, including the fact that you presented out of date research results and none pertinent to EVE Online. Additionally, your 'citation' does not address the claim you made, in which case even if this is a legit citation, you still haven't cited anything to do with increased 'inter-connectedness' or whatever.

You're funny. You need to do some research on what a 'citation' is. I'll be nice and tell you its a reference to a published source of information. Both the links are to Nick Yee's work, he's an American researcher, he has a degree in psychology and a PHD in communication. He spent a number of years interviewing thousands of MMO's players, I believe in excess of 40,000, which is what the information I linked is based on.

I apologize profusely for not having any contemporary information (like from 5 minutes ago) to offer but sadly life doesn't work like that. You're fabrication of intention regarding why people subscribed is enjoyable for its desperation but unfortunately reality must intrude and I need to point out that like Nick Yee, you need to interview everyone who ever subscribed to really find out or at least a significant portion to get a somewhat less accurate picture.

I can tell you I subscribed under the misunderstanding that there were internal areas to walk around in and combat was twitch based like Privateer.