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Sentry drone nerf?

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#41 - 2014-01-29 11:04:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Chase the FOTM long enough and you'll have everything anyway.


Or in my case, stubbornly fly the same thing until it becomes the FOTM.


Pretty much the story of the dominix. The NOS domi was pretty much the solo wtfpwnboat of choice at the time which required them to nerf NOS to uselessness, and I've been flying it ever since waiting for it to be awesome again (which pretty much happened the moment the bonus was changed, on the back of the drone damage amps being added).
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#42 - 2014-01-29 11:04:47 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Moneta Curran wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:


Good thing I still have mining to fall back on for my EvE excitement, eh?


Because in eve, all you ever have to train is one weapon system and then you're done, right?
Cry more.





It probably due to the fact that like myself people continually train up skills so that can do things faster/more dps/more of this that and the other and CCP continually seem to then change it so it actually takes you longer/less dps


Personally I'm just getting tired of training things up to get that extra 5% and then CCP basically taking it off you because someone is crying or complaining because they don't have the extra 5%.
Not everyone plays in 1000+ fleets where the numbers are so screwed with certain weapon systems that the weapon system becomes over the top but when the change is forced by these numbers it obviously effects everyone not just the target intended.

CCP may as well just offer one ship per race with one weapon system per ship and get rid of this obviously outdated notion of choice and skills.



So you deliberatly train the most overpowered thing in the game and then cry when it gets hit with the nerf bat. Seriously Cod players are more intelligent than eve players when it comes to overpowered things being nerfed.
Signal11th
#43 - 2014-01-29 11:06:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Icarus Able wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Moneta Curran wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:


Good thing I still have mining to fall back on for my EvE excitement, eh?


Because in eve, all you ever have to train is one weapon system and then you're done, right?
Cry more.





It probably due to the fact that like myself people continually train up skills so that can do things faster/more dps/more of this that and the other and CCP continually seem to then change it so it actually takes you longer/less dps


Personally I'm just getting tired of training things up to get that extra 5% and then CCP basically taking it off you because someone is crying or complaining because they don't have the extra 5%.
Not everyone plays in 1000+ fleets where the numbers are so screwed with certain weapon systems that the weapon system becomes over the top but when the change is forced by these numbers it obviously effects everyone not just the target intended.

CCP may as well just offer one ship per race with one weapon system per ship and get rid of this obviously outdated notion of choice and skills.



So you deliberatly train the most overpowered thing in the game and then cry when it gets hit with the nerf bat. Seriously Cod players are more intelligent than eve players when it comes to overpowered things being nerfed.



As mentioned before it latest thing in a long list, plus try and understand a post before you attempt some sort of reply.
I didn't deliberately train it because it's op I trained it because its one of the last offensive things I can train, bit like heavy missles as well.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#44 - 2014-01-29 11:06:50 UTC
double post derp
Signal11th
#45 - 2014-01-29 11:11:29 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:
double post derp


That really the best argument you can come up with?

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Roparzh Greek
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-01-29 11:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Roparzh Greek
forget it. no point to discuss anything....
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-01-29 11:25:45 UTC
It's not some great conspiracy. These are after all the people who understand not only the game mechanics but also how players are using and abusing them.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#48 - 2014-01-29 11:40:05 UTC
Use a Vexor navy issue or Ishtar.
Hi.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-01-29 13:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Thomas Mickelson wrote:
Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range.
Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.

CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional?


Expect your income generation to be about half of what it was with drones.
Oh, and don't forget the nerf to the shield regen of the sentries.

Of course, the dev in question who is responsible for this, states, and I quote, "I think you'll find that your drones are still quite effective after this change, and remain very competitive with other weapon systems."

Of course, I think the weapon systems he is talking about are rockets and frigate pulse lasers, but I could be wrong.


It won't halve income generation. The pilot needs to get 2x optimal range scripts, and 2x tracking scripts, and switch between them as the NPCs get closer, which can be done without interrupting the fire of the sentries.

I tried that last night with a single fed navy omni fitted ishtar and it was more than workable (I believe optimal was around 54 based on missing prior to patch, and around 51 after patch). I shot normal enough ticks bearing in mind the minor flexibility loss and the 5% nerf due to ESS anyway.

Yes it costs you some optimal, no the sky didn't fall.


Yup, and the thread owner was in a Myrm, that has no hull bonus.
Want to take a crack at that using only useless Omni's now?

Of course, I am conversing with a goon, so what is the point.
While she is talking with an egocentric, decadent, spoiled, close minded, wannabe proud and important child who can't accept reality as it happens.

Child, because of your inability to see yourself and thus realize how stupidly you behave.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#50 - 2014-01-29 14:03:17 UTC
Heavy Drones (Ogres and Serkers) are pretty quickass now with that falloff-buff.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#51 - 2014-01-29 15:59:23 UTC
Sorry you didn't see it coming.

Personally, even though my computer has been toast for more than a week now, I have been checking this stuff out at work and on my phone even, that way I don't get caught napping.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#52 - 2014-01-29 16:30:44 UTC
Thomas Mickelson wrote:
Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range.
Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.

CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional?


If only there was a F&I forum thread, started by a Dev, discussing the changes and asking for feedback: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=313116&find=unread

If only there were patch notes, where these changes (and many others) are stated clearly.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-rubicon-1.1

Oh well, I guess CCP works in mysterious and unknowable ways.
stoicfaux
#53 - 2014-01-29 17:37:10 UTC
Or people who posted a spreadsheet comparing the changes.

Or a version of pyfa that included a Rubicon 1.1 Preview.

Seriously, the first thing I check on the EVE forums is Features & Ideas. It's where all of CCP's ideas plus the resulting emo-player-rage can be found.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#54 - 2014-01-29 17:39:45 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:

Seriously, the first thing I check on the EVE forums is Features & Ideas. It's where all of CCP's ideas plus the resulting emo-player-rage can be found.

Except for the ESS. They hid that one and it still got over 100 pages.
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#55 - 2014-01-29 18:52:17 UTC
Signal11th wrote:


It probably due to the fact that like myself people continually train up skills so that can do things faster/more dps/more of this that and the other and CCP continually seem to then change it so it actually takes you longer/less dps


Personally I'm just getting tired of training things up to get that extra 5% and then CCP basically taking it off you because someone is crying or complaining because they don't have the extra 5%.
Not everyone plays in 1000+ fleets where the numbers are so screwed with certain weapon systems that the weapon system becomes over the top but when the change is forced by these numbers it obviously effects everyone not just the target intended.

CCP may as well just offer one ship per race with one weapon system per ship and get rid of this obviously outdated notion of choice and skills.

You don't so much train skills to be more effective than yesterday, as to be more effective than the pilot next to you that didn't. If it was too effective yesterday, it will get fixed "soon". But you still keep your edge vs other pilots when using it.

Not everyone plays in 1000 man fleets. I saw a wing of dominixes for example, blapping signature bonused destroyers with high transversal at ~100k. They were likewise out of line in even smaller engagements. In the grand scheme of things, it is the solo PvE player that is the edge case - not the 1000 man battles. And lets face it, afk PvE drone boats are still broken as hell.

As for choice, everyone is flying sentry boats now for a reason. It's about time we got some choice back.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#56 - 2014-01-29 19:04:12 UTC
Vald Tegor wrote:
Signal11th wrote:


It probably due to the fact that like myself people continually train up skills so that can do things faster/more dps/more of this that and the other and CCP continually seem to then change it so it actually takes you longer/less dps


Personally I'm just getting tired of training things up to get that extra 5% and then CCP basically taking it off you because someone is crying or complaining because they don't have the extra 5%.
Not everyone plays in 1000+ fleets where the numbers are so screwed with certain weapon systems that the weapon system becomes over the top but when the change is forced by these numbers it obviously effects everyone not just the target intended.

CCP may as well just offer one ship per race with one weapon system per ship and get rid of this obviously outdated notion of choice and skills.

You don't so much train skills to be more effective than yesterday, as to be more effective than the pilot next to you that didn't. If it was too effective yesterday, it will get fixed "soon". But you still keep your edge vs other pilots when using it.

Not everyone plays in 1000 man fleets. I saw a wing of dominixes for example, blapping signature bonused destroyers with high transversal at ~100k. They were likewise out of line in even smaller engagements. In the grand scheme of things, it is the solo PvE player that is the edge case - not the 1000 man battles. And lets face it, afk PvE drone boats are still broken as hell.

As for choice, everyone is flying sentry boats now for a reason. It's about time we got some choice back.


Not everyone, I fly drone boats because I like them (especially the Vexor & Domi shaped ships, still confused why the Myrm is so off-track) and they've been my favourites, long before the DDA buffed them, possibly a little more than was required at the time.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2014-01-29 19:29:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Signal11th wrote:
Moneta Curran wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:


Good thing I still have mining to fall back on for my EvE excitement, eh?


Because in eve, all you ever have to train is one weapon system and then you're done, right?
Cry more.





It probably due to the fact that like myself people continually train up skills so that can do things faster/more dps/more of this that and the other and CCP continually seem to then change it so it actually takes you longer/less dps


Personally I'm just getting tired of training things up to get that extra 5% and then CCP basically taking it off you because someone is crying or complaining because they don't have the extra 5%.
Not everyone plays in 1000+ fleets where the numbers are so screwed with certain weapon systems that the weapon system becomes over the top but when the change is forced by these numbers it obviously effects everyone not just the target intended.

CCP may as well just offer one ship per race with one weapon system per ship and get rid of this obviously outdated notion of choice and skills.

Yeah this.

CCP have little ability at self control. When you create a product for a customer and you offer them choices which are not reimbursable then you should do your best when reassessing your products to have as little impact on those choices as possible.

We pay a subscription, in real dollars, for that money we're given a finite number of skillpoints that we earn per recurring subscription. We can take those skill-points and apply them to a skill, there is no option to have those skill points back.

Then CCP comes along and reinvents the game, not small adjustments, but huge sweeping adjustments, sometimes they invalidate an entire line of ships / modules / skills without any regard for the customers who were unfortunate enough to have put their skills into those areas.

When CCP does this they should a) refund the money we paid for those skillpoints or better b) reimburse the skillpoints. That they do neither is disrespectful *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. to their customer base.

IMO

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#58 - 2014-01-29 20:24:57 UTC
Moneta Curran wrote:
Nice way of showing you have been living under a rock for the last couple of months. Are you familiar with the concept of patch notes?


Ok oh-smug-one, but here's the thing: Patch notes tend to come out after the fact, or just a day before release. When you go to the main EvE pages where they're trying to upsell the glory of Rubicon 1.1 you see adverts for new ship art (cool), mobile deployables that maybe 10% of the playerbase actually gives a crap about, and exactly nothing mentioning the latest drone nerf.

In other words, the sentry is nerf is what the US Congress would call "pork." It was something slipped in under the radar because they knew no one would like it, and they didn't want to hear us complaining about unit after it was already shoved down our throats. Like usual.

This drone nerf was not advertised, which is why people are so up in arms about it. Again, they advertised ship art, they advertised deployables (whooptie do) but there was no mention of yet another drone nerf until the patch notes came out.

After the fact.

So yeah, we're mad and we're justifiably mad.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#59 - 2014-01-29 21:21:52 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

When you create a product for a customer and you offer them choices which are not reimbursable then you should do your best when reassessing your products to have as little impact on those choices as possible.


If the metagame in Eve was a static thing, I think we all would have gotten bored and left years ago.

Infinity Ziona wrote:

Then CCP comes along and reinvents the game, not small adjustments, but huge sweeping adjustments, sometimes they invalidate an entire line of ships / modules / skills without any regard for the customers who were unfortunate enough to have put their skills into those areas.

When CCP does this they should a) refund the money we paid for those skillpoints or better b) reimburse the skillpoints. That they do neither is disrespectful and dishonest to their customer base.


This is hyperbole and whining. CCP reimburses skills when they are removed. Demanding SP reimbursement because of balance changes is childish. This is a balance change.


Katran Luftschreck wrote:

This drone nerf was not advertised, which is why people are so up in arms about it. Again, they advertised ship art, they advertised deployables (whooptie do) but there was no mention of yet another drone nerf until the patch notes came out.

After the fact.

So yeah, we're mad and we're justifiably mad.


While I was well aware of it, the nerf is significant enough to have gotten a dev blog (it should have gotten one, but it didn't). We got a thread from Fozzie stating that it was intended to be a nerf, with a few brief questions answered, but no metrics or justification about why CCP feels it was necessary. I've been of two minds about the appropriateness of the nerf. On one hand I feel some kind of change is justified, and I'm pleased that the result seems to mostly affect gardes, the worst offenders. On the other hand it extends further the performance gap between the ishtar/domi and other sentry boats and trivializes faction omnilinks for anyone that have sharpshooting 5 and can fit t2. I want a devblog.

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WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2014-01-29 21:58:11 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I suppose asking for a refund on all my sentry drone SP so I can put it into basic gunnery is out of the question?


Ah, so you were using drones for 'efficiency' rather than simply for the love of the little rascals Sad


Remember, a drone is for life, not just for one mission.


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