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Sentry drone nerf?
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Thomas Mickelson
Shitpost Crusaders of the Galaxy
#1 - 2014-01-29 04:06:28 UTC
Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range.
Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.

CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional?
djentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#2 - 2014-01-29 04:09:19 UTC
Thomas Mickelson wrote:
Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range.
Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.

CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional?


Start by reading the patch notes and reading the 43728947328947312890432432 other threads detailing how you are doing it all wrong.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-01-29 04:10:45 UTC
If only there was somewhere you could get this information before it was released, like some forums or something.

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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#4 - 2014-01-29 04:12:57 UTC
scripts will help you. You'll need to overheat to get the old performance
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-01-29 04:15:29 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
scripts will help you. You'll need to overheat to get the old performance

Even with OH your still well below the old range+tracking. Even with OH and a range script you are way down on range and have no tracking bonus. Tracking script on the other had is better than before without OH, but again, no range of course.
Meyr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#6 - 2014-01-29 04:17:28 UTC
Because Goon Tears.

Go read the Features & Ideas section of the forums every now and then, and you won't be surprised when changes like this occur.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-01-29 04:17:31 UTC
Bouncers are the least effected by the range change because more of their range is falloff.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-01-29 04:20:08 UTC
Range is for girls... improved tracking is nice. But opposite of what was required. Ironically the ability to assign drones is still untouched.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#9 - 2014-01-29 04:21:26 UTC
Thomas Mickelson wrote:
Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range.
Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.

CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional?


Expect your income generation to be about half of what it was with drones.
Oh, and don't forget the nerf to the shield regen of the sentries.

Of course, the dev in question who is responsible for this, states, and I quote, "I think you'll find that your drones are still quite effective after this change, and remain very competitive with other weapon systems."

Of course, I think the weapon systems he is talking about are rockets and frigate pulse lasers, but I could be wrong.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#10 - 2014-01-29 04:24:35 UTC
I would like a weapon that makes a missioner's drones attack himself.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-01-29 04:27:00 UTC
Meyr wrote:
Because Goon Tears.

Go read the Features & Ideas section of the forums every now and then, and you won't be surprised when changes like this occur.


The existense of good tears does not preclude the possibility that sentry drones have been rather OP for a while. Its when stuff becomes a FOTM pvp meta that its first up for nerfbatting.

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Meyr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#12 - 2014-01-29 04:39:34 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Meyr wrote:
Because Goon Tears.

Go read the Features & Ideas section of the forums every now and then, and you won't be surprised when changes like this occur.


The existense of goon (fixed that for you) tears does not preclude the possibility that sentry drones have been rather OP for a while. Its when stuff becomes a FOTM pvp meta that its first up for nerfbatting.


It was a way to reduce the power of drone fleets without OBVIOUSLY caving to Goon demands that Drone Assist be changed [expect to see a future patch limiting the number of drones that can be assigned to a single pilot very SOON!(tm)]
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#13 - 2014-01-29 05:16:05 UTC
Sentries are so last year.

It's all about light combat drones now. Trust me.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#14 - 2014-01-29 05:23:40 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Thomas Mickelson wrote:
Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range.
Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.

CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional?


Expect your income generation to be about half of what it was with drones.
Oh, and don't forget the nerf to the shield regen of the sentries.

Of course, the dev in question who is responsible for this, states, and I quote, "I think you'll find that your drones are still quite effective after this change, and remain very competitive with other weapon systems."

Of course, I think the weapon systems he is talking about are rockets and frigate pulse lasers, but I could be wrong.


It won't halve income generation. The pilot needs to get 2x optimal range scripts, and 2x tracking scripts, and switch between them as the NPCs get closer, which can be done without interrupting the fire of the sentries.

I tried that last night with a single fed navy omni fitted ishtar and it was more than workable (I believe optimal was around 54 based on missing prior to patch, and around 51 after patch). I shot normal enough ticks bearing in mind the minor flexibility loss and the 5% nerf due to ESS anyway.

Yes it costs you some optimal, no the sky didn't fall.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#15 - 2014-01-29 05:40:31 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Thomas Mickelson wrote:
Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range.
Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.

CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional?


Expect your income generation to be about half of what it was with drones.
Oh, and don't forget the nerf to the shield regen of the sentries.

Of course, the dev in question who is responsible for this, states, and I quote, "I think you'll find that your drones are still quite effective after this change, and remain very competitive with other weapon systems."

Of course, I think the weapon systems he is talking about are rockets and frigate pulse lasers, but I could be wrong.


It won't halve income generation. The pilot needs to get 2x optimal range scripts, and 2x tracking scripts, and switch between them as the NPCs get closer, which can be done without interrupting the fire of the sentries.

I tried that last night with a single fed navy omni fitted ishtar and it was more than workable (I believe optimal was around 54 based on missing prior to patch, and around 51 after patch). I shot normal enough ticks bearing in mind the minor flexibility loss and the 5% nerf due to ESS anyway.

Yes it costs you some optimal, no the sky didn't fall.


Yup, and the thread owner was in a Myrm, that has no hull bonus.
Want to take a crack at that using only useless Omni's now?

Of course, I am conversing with a goon, so what is the point.
MaligoLibens
Bath Salt Abusers
#16 - 2014-01-29 05:58:21 UTC
don't use a myrmidon. it is not a viable ship anymore.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#17 - 2014-01-29 06:09:31 UTC
I suppose asking for a refund on all my sentry drone SP so I can put it into basic gunnery is out of the question?

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-01-29 06:10:58 UTC
MaligoLibens wrote:
don't use a myrmidon. it is not a viable ship anymore.


so what is viable ? Domi and Ishtar are now more optimal than ever. Perhaps the Prophecy ? Not much else really.

Part of the issue is nerfing an always on module more than necessary because it could feasibly be overheated (but in reality rarely will be) .
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#19 - 2014-01-29 06:33:05 UTC
MaligoLibens wrote:
don't use a myrmidon. it is not a viable ship anymore.


This is sad but true. I used to run L4s in a Myrmidon. Did it for over a year, loved every moment of it. Then came the first "drone hate" patch. Heavy drones became the laughing stock of EvE and your lights & mediums draw so much aggro that actually tanking your ship became pointless, because the rats never actually fired at you, just your drones.

Traded up to a Gila, then a Rattlesnake, basically as an excuse to switch to sentries. At least those I know I can recall in time when twenty rats decide to alpha my drones one second after launch.

But that wasn't good enough, obviously, because now they've nerfed all the sentries as well. Which comes as a total surprise to exactly no drone boat user ever.

Good thing I still have mining to fall back on for my EvE excitement, eh?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-01-29 07:15:10 UTC
Thomas Mickelson wrote:
Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range.
Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.

CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional?


Nice way of showing you have been living under a rock for the last couple of months. Are you familiar with the concept of patch notes?
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