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Scanning Questions

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Will Strafe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-09 11:06:41 UTC
I am doing some exploration, and I have a few issues with it. First of, I got a few systems I scan down. My base system, I can often scan down once, then if I scan later same day, only new spots will show. But in the other systems, every time I go there, all the plex show up on scan, even though I ignored them last time. And I pretty much have to scan the whole system down again only to find the same Ladar sites and wormholes. This has really become a chore, and it makes me put of exploration for days at a time. Is it because I log of and back in or what?

But should it be like that? Why isn't a site I scanned down once and marked as ignored, staying like that. Is it because I only scan down to identify an udesired spot and then ignore it? Or I leave the system or what?

Besides that, when I shift drag my probe bubbles, very often when I hit analyze most of the probes jump back into the former size. This is very annoying. I think I have found a solution, if I expand probes I must always pull them out to a size greater than the bubble. And if I decrease them I must make them smaller and let them snap into place. If I do it the other way around, they reset themselves, it's gotta be a bug.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-09 12:12:15 UTC
Will Strafe wrote:
I am doing some exploration, and I have a few issues with it. First of, I got a few systems I scan down. My base system, I can often scan down once, then if I scan later same day, only new spots will show. But in the other systems, every time I go there, all the plex show up on scan, even though I ignored them last time. And I pretty much have to scan the whole system down again only to find the same Ladar sites and wormholes. This has really become a chore, and it makes me put of exploration for days at a time. Is it because I log of and back in or what?


Good on you - scanning takes practice and efficiency is something to aim for.

Will Strafe wrote:
But should it be like that? Why isn't a site I scanned down once and marked as ignored, staying like that. Is it because I only scan down to identify an udesired spot and then ignore it? Or I leave the system or what?


It happens whenever you leave the system, which includes things like docking up.

In practice there are a few ways to minimize this effect, like using deep core scanning probes, or just rapidly re-scanning known sigs so you can ignore them faster (shotgun scanning is great for systems with lots of sigs... have to check that again under the new scanning system though.

Will Strafe wrote:
Besides that, when I shift drag my probe bubbles, very often when I hit analyze most of the probes jump back into the former size. This is very annoying. I think I have found a solution, if I expand probes I must always pull them out to a size greater than the bubble. And if I decrease them I must make them smaller and let them snap into place. If I do it the other way around, they reset themselves, it's gotta be a bug.


Never ever seen that before. I guess my probes are more well behaved. Also I virtually never resize probes through the map/probe interface so that might be part of it. (I need to look into that again though).
Luh Windan
green fish hat bang bang
#3 - 2011-11-09 13:26:31 UTC
Will Strafe wrote:
I am doing some exploration, and I have a few issues with it. First of, I got a few systems I scan down. My base system, I can often scan down once, then if I scan later same day, only new spots will show. But in the other systems, every time I go there, all the plex show up on scan, even though I ignored them last time. And I pretty much have to scan the whole system down again only to find the same Ladar sites and wormholes. This has really become a chore, and it makes me put of exploration for days at a time. Is it because I log of and back in or what?

But should it be like that? Why isn't a site I scanned down once and marked as ignored, staying like that. Is it because I only scan down to identify an udesired spot and then ignore it? Or I leave the system or what?

Besides that, when I shift drag my probe bubbles, very often when I hit analyze most of the probes jump back into the former size. This is very annoying. I think I have found a solution, if I expand probes I must always pull them out to a size greater than the bubble. And if I decrease them I must make them smaller and let them snap into place. If I do it the other way around, they reset themselves, it's gotta be a bug.


so first off - you know about shift (to move all) and alt (to bring them closer together)?

Secondly - the shifting the bubble size on screen - total pain in the you know what. I now highlight the probes in the scanner and set the diameter for all of them using the popup menu.

it remembers what you have ignored while the scanner is open and you are in the same system. But only the plex's are highlighted on the first scan and it's easy to click and ignore

like everything in Eve it could be automated loads more but then: money for nothing so I guess we have to live with it

I found it very clumsy at first but now I'm fairly slick at it

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-11-09 14:14:29 UTC
Will Strafe wrote:
But should it be like that? Why isn't a site I scanned down once and marked as ignored, staying like that. Is it because I only scan down to identify an udesired spot and then ignore it? Or I leave the system



It only remembers until you leave the system and come back.

I use a combination of the notepad and bookmarks to keep track. Notepad because I often don't scan everything to 100% to bookmark. When I enter a system I make a new note for that system. Scan and note all of the sig identifiers. Then as I find what they are, I note that in the notepad (SAV LADAR for example)

That way later I can quickly identify which sites i saw earlier.

It doesn't really add any time as I can update my notes during each scan cycle when I'd just be sitting there anyhow.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-09 16:09:25 UTC
Cosmic Anomaly will show 100% on first scan with 1 probe, easy to just 'ignore'. Cosmic Signatures require more work. Depending on the type of site you're looking for, this info should help.

Radar, Magnetometric, Ladar and Gravimetric sites will show type at 25% signal strength.

W-Holes and Combat sites will show type at 75% signal strength.

With this info, if you're only looking for Radar sites, you can quickly scan a system and if the signature isn't showing Radar site after 25% signal strength, just 'ignore' it and move on to the next signature.

However if you're looking for Radar, Mag and Combat sites, or any other combo, then it's a good idea to bookmark most of the sites.

I usually bookmark everything except for Grav and Ladar sites. Even though they stay in system the longest, they can be quickly scanned to show type and then be ignored.. W-holes and Combat sites take much more work so bookmark them and after you leave a system and go back the next day, launch 1 probe at 1AU range and in the system map, move the probe to each bookmark and scan. If it shows in the scan results, ignore it. You can hold the mouse over the bookmark to see what it is. If it doesn't show in the scan results, right click on the bookmark and select 'remove' since the site has despawned..

After you've done a quick check on all the bookmarks showing in the system map, re-size that 1 probe to max range and do a total system scan to see if any new signatures have spawned. If so, scan those down and bookmark or complete them, then move on to new system. If it's been a few days since you were last in the system, just remove all the bookmarks. Chances are most of them have already despawned. Also try to expand your search area, mainly the amount of systems you check. You just might be in an area with a bunch of other explorers who are all going back over the same few systems.


As for the scan radius switching to different size, yeah it's a random bug. There's also another random bug that makes the probes jump and invert their position and get askew from each other when using the alt key to move them. It doesn't happen very much but yeah, it's a small annoyance.



Anyway, good luck to you.