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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-28 17:09:45 UTC
What kind of energy management systems are in place to solve energy overloading on a planet .

Sure, using energy can be useful, fun, necessary and so on, but what are a planet's limit?


Is there any exhaust system that can be used to pump the energy out as it is pumped in?

Can solar panel be used to generate too much energy on earth?


We can feel wide temperature changes which do not occur in other normal condition.


What part of those energy factors involved cause energy overload which affects ecological system?



I think this management will increase the more we travel to space and even have to improve simulated gravity systems.

Planetary ecological system are getting very close to astronomical scale if not already related to it 100%


There currently exists measures in place to prevent the use of radio-activity in space to reduce atmospheric poisoning risk.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2 - 2014-01-28 18:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Fascinating.

It reads like a robo-script for generating random sentence and word combinations that sort of sound "real", but actually were not written by anything actually sentient.


Oiras Isimazu wrote:

There currently exists measures in place to prevent the use of radio-activity in space to reduce atmospheric poisoning risk.


Yeah. We really gotta take care of all that atmosphere out in space.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-01-28 18:47:14 UTC
Good suggestion perhaps, how much would you sell a robot like that to go fetch Fukushima rods?


I think I would partly omit the suggesting that a human target is not sentient or similar impersonation.
I don't see how it would make the robot look good or generate good work.
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2014-01-28 19:48:21 UTC
i'm thinking glass grade. definitely pipe

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#5 - 2014-01-28 20:05:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Rain6638 wrote:
i'm thinking glass grade. definitely pipe



But a guitar will help with the simulated gravity system. And the Dinner of Flowers.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-01-28 20:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Rain6638 wrote:
i'm thinking glass grade. definitely pipe



But a guitar will help with the simulated gravity system. And the Dinner of Flowers.

I mean, not too heavy but still...

More efficient than a planet size death star...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2014-01-28 21:03:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Rain6638 wrote:
i'm thinking glass grade. definitely pipe



But a guitar will help with the simulated gravity system. And the Dinner of Flowers.


Don't forget a perfectly groomed moustache.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2014-01-28 21:07:10 UTC
Thread content and layout designed by William S. Burroughs.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#9 - 2014-01-28 21:27:06 UTC
I think I just got a contact high.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#10 - 2014-01-28 21:35:50 UTC
When I run into energy problems on planets, I train command center upgrades to the next level.
Sheimi Madaveda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-01-28 22:40:52 UTC
But do you run into energy overload on your planets? What skill needs to be trained to avoid this mishap?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2014-01-28 22:49:34 UTC
Sheimi Madaveda wrote:
But do you run into energy overload on your planets? What skill needs to be trained to avoid this mishap?



I don't know.

But I bet there is a new Siphon that will suck away most of it.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sheimi Madaveda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-01-28 22:53:05 UTC
Of course! Why didn't I think of that!

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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-01-29 00:31:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Do you mean like black hole to speed up the exhaust exhaustion rate?

I think there's probably more energy that exits the planet than before even if it inputs more energy...


Maybe holes in the protective and poisonous ozone does that...


I think it would be safe to export extra energy though.

At least safer than say, export energy that is more important for normal ecological systems.


The current systems in place to deal with planetary energy overload consist of the
Command Centers,
Launchpad,
Storage Facilities,
Planetary Links
(Link Cost By Distance,
Link Upgrade Costs)

It doesn't mainly deal with energy overload in so far as it deals with production.

Nonetheless, it still uses a system to have those materials exported outside of the planet.


I was of course referring to real life out of pod planets.
Not the parallel virtual version in EVE.

The reference to the planet (or satellite) size death star is from Star Wars.
Funny enough it seems designed to shoot a beam of energy towards a planet which could potentially be from a star.

It seems to have been designed to work from other energy reaction source.

The mention referring to an exhaust was since it :
Death Star II
The first major change made in this redesign was the elimination of the two-meter-wide thermal exhaust port that was used to ignite a chain reaction in the main reactor of the first Death Star, destroying it.

...
The explosion of the station's hypermatter core created a minor wormhole at its collapse. Some of the station's wreckage would pass through said wormhole, including Darth Vader's right glove. While some debris ended up on Mon Calamari, it is believed that more was dispersed throughout the galaxy.[21]
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#15 - 2014-01-29 00:47:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Can solar panel be used to generate too much energy on earth?

Long story short, as long as we're talking solar panels ON the planet, it's physically impossible to generate "TOO much energy", since that energy would have reached the planet regardless of their presence or absence.
If you're talking off-planet massive solar panels beaming energy remotely down, then it depends.

Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Sure, using energy can be useful, fun, necessary and so on, but what are a planet's limit?

Yeah, it's called thermal radiation. It happens constantly.
And it goes up as temperature goes up. With temperature to the fourth power.
So, basically, a 10% increase in absolute temperature increases dissipated energy by 46.41%.

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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-01-29 01:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Akita T wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Can solar panel be used to generate too much energy on earth?

Long story short, as long as we're talking solar panels ON the planet, it's physically impossible to generate "TOO much energy", since that energy would have reached the planet regardless of their presence or absence. ...

Yes, it would take a long time, and that energy would have to be trapped and not dissipated enough to really overload over time.
It would still be a small percentage even though it may create wider changes than normal.

I was referring to external energy from external sources, or from more accelerated than normal internal energy reactions.


I'm pretty sure we're unfamiliar with the all the details of such changes so far.


I guess we're learning faster than before mind you.


I am not sure which equation you are referring to using the magnitude of
'With temperature to the fourth power' scope.


Stefan–Boltzmann law??
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2014-01-29 03:48:30 UTC
OP, lemme see your teeth. show me your gumline

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#18 - 2014-01-30 21:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
I am not sure which equation you are referring to using the magnitude of 'With temperature to the fourth power' scope.
Stefan–Boltzmann law??

That's the basic part, yes.
See in particular subpoint 2.3 with explanations of differences between idealized theory and actual practice in the case of this planet.

P.S. I'd be much more worried about changes in the "greenhouse gases" concentration, which throw back to Earth a part of the emitted thermal radiation. Even without any significant increase in total energy that needs dissipation, the average temperature of the planet could go up noticeably if those concentrations go up too much.
Conversely, finding a way to get rid of most of them might cool the planet down quite a bit even if we keep using up a lot more energy.

P.P.S. Besides, past a certain point in available useful energy, it actually becomes feasible to just build massive radiative heatsinks at an altitude higher than most of the greenhouse gases layers, where you use some energy to pump tremendous amounts of heat from the ground levels upwards. Basically, building refrigerators for the entire planet.

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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-01-31 21:37:20 UTC
Akita T wrote:
P.P.S. Besides, past a certain point in available useful energy, it actually becomes feasible to just build massive radiative heatsinks at an altitude higher than most of the greenhouse gases layers, where you use some energy to pump tremendous amounts of heat from the ground levels upwards. Basically, building refrigerators for the entire planet.

Energy Export to the Moon receiver or other could work too!!
Even Moon goo!
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-02-11 17:39:26 UTC
I'm too busy with rewriting notes from court to make it more readable and annotate them with related details of facts.

I also want to calculate the time it takes to save the EVE Forums posts and EVE Mails.
Inbox
Corporation
Alliance
Sent Mail

And the Mailing Lists...

That way, I can save my work and somehow reuse it for related work.


Either way, that should keep me too busy for at least 3 to 4 weeks or longer.
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