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Way to go Fozzie

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Sarmatiko
#21 - 2014-01-28 16:07:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
CCP Fozzie wrote:

I think you'll find that your drones are still quite effective after this change, and remain very competitive with other weapon systems.

So how about implants that affect drones (damage, tracking, optimal, falloff etc). Talking about "competitive with other weapon systems" and limiting drone dps on 800 at the same time.. Ugh
Andrea Keuvo
Rusty Pricks
#22 - 2014-01-28 16:09:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Keuvo
Weaselior wrote:
Andrea Keuvo wrote:

no, I need to use those highslots just to get drones to engage to their optimal range its not 'improving' anything. Don't think 1400mm arty has that issue it will shoot as far as you can target. Sorry troll fail

you were just complaining you had no lowslot range mods

you have highslot range mods instead

i hope this has been educational for you



Hmm you are obviously too thick to understand that there is a difference between a mod that increases the optimal range of a weapon system and a mod that increases the range in which a target can even be engaged.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#23 - 2014-01-28 16:11:46 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

TL:DR is that we are making Omnidirectional Tracking Links work like Tracking Computers. They will become active modules that can be scripted and overheated, and their bonuses will be as strong as equivalent Tracking Computers.


It was exactly what it said in the F&I sticky. Not sure what else you were expecting.

A 20% increase from T2 to Navy Faction is way out of line for a damage/tracking module and it's in a much more balanced place with the current stats.

I think you'll find that your drones are still quite effective after this change, and remain very competitive with other weapon systems.


Umm. hate to break it to you, but you guys modified the Fed Navies a few years ago to get that PRECISE 20% difference.
That number did not fall out of a tree.

And guess what, you are totally, and utterly wrong about the 20% difference being "balanced" in the first place.
Further, I could just lift your response from any one of a dozen null sec apologists rants.

And lastly, I have "found" that drones are NO LONGER "very competitive" with other weapon systems.

Just because you say it is, does not make it so.
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#24 - 2014-01-28 16:13:14 UTC
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2014-01-28 16:14:42 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Umm. hate to break it to you, but you guys modified the Fed Navies a few years ago to get that PRECISE 20% difference.
That number did not fall out of a tree.

And guess what, you are totally, and utterly wrong about the 20% difference being "balanced" in the first place.
So they fixed it so it's no longer unbalanced. What's the problem?
Also, since you know for a fact that the number didn't fall out of a tree, maybe you could share where it did come from?

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And lastly, I have "found" that drones are NO LONGER "very competitive" with other weapon systems.
How did you find this to be the case?

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I could just lift your response from any one of a dozen null sec apologists rants.
There we go. What's nullsec got to do with anything in regards to this topic?
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#26 - 2014-01-28 16:16:36 UTC
Batelle wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

It was exactly what it said in the F&I sticky. Not sure what else you were expecting.

A 20% increase from T2 to Navy Faction is way out of line for a damage/tracking module and it's in a much more balanced place with the current stats.

I think you'll find that your drones are still quite effective after this change, and remain very competitive with other weapon systems.


Here's the issue though, faction omnis were both plentiful and affordable, and as you've noted, very powerful. Admittedly out-of-line in the marginal benefit of them.

But that also means that by bringing them in line, its a MUCH LARGER NERF than what you suggested when you gave use the t2 omnidirectional stats.

Here is the effect of Rubicon 1.1 on a ship that has two faction omnilinks (range-scripted) and one t2 scope chip: 20% reduction in effective range, plus a 40% reduction in tracking. This is rather enormous. Here is how this relates to gardes on a ship without tracking/range bonuses.

Rubicon 1.0 Garde II. 59km optimal, 12km falloff, 0.059rad/s tracking
Rubicon 1.1 Garde II. 45km optimal, 21km falloff, 0.036rad/s tracking


He is not listening.
Look at his track record.
Look how many times he has every altered a stat or mechanic since he first states what he is going to do.

The only reason he responded at all in the thread was because it was embarrassing for someone to point out a deficiency in his original design, and how his utter lack of dealing with that deficiency.
ISD LackOfFaith
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ISD Alliance
#27 - 2014-01-28 16:17:05 UTC
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Ginger Barbarella
#28 - 2014-01-28 16:17:07 UTC
So, Heavies took a nerf to the crotch to the point that many just don't bother with them anymore (from my personal experience), then the Rapid Lights took the falcon punch.

Now, it's time for CCP to point the steamrolling nerf at drones. Awesome.

The slow roll plan to further nerf non-nullies continues. Rock on, CCP.

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