Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok because I am not sure anyone in Dust understands the Yulai Accord, it outlawed mining the planetary surfaces. Players strip mined the planets for minerals causing wholesale destruction of people, animals and the vegetation of the planets.

I am not suggesting that anyone repeal this law, but rather suggest there are better ways to acquire minerals, for example Miners in Eve have vast resources, can do it better and faster than anyone on a planet ever could. I also think that extracting mins from salvage and giving parts of the pool to mercs would not help anyone and would rather make the market process for mercs more complicated, with less isk to go around.

Manufacturing large quantities of items is something that Eve pilots have become great at, have whole skill groups dedicated to and would be more than adequate to provide for Dust with little effort on their part involved.

Having Dust stand on its own as a game really isn't that difficult to do. For instance, Eve player contracts, and real benefits for players to acquire districts, would allow us to become a necessary part of Eve and not an afterthought. I thought we were supposed to be Mercenaries, not boardroom traders and industrialists.

In addition to this, PC battles could actually move the available PC districts up in number, spreading the conflict to the surrounding solar systems, and help Eve players maintain control over their PI while massive attacks from drones come to harvest the in place extraction materials.

Another benefit to PC battles could be the ability to deploy to districts owned to explore them, root out drones to kill and practice basic teamwork as well as make encroachments on other people's districts, areas they do PVE in and ambush them to cause tears, and I know CCP likes tears.

Including salvage from Drones found on planetary surfaces as materials for weapons, equipment and dropsuits would be a great way to make Eve players (again manufacturing items) dependant on the Dust market for their manufacturing processes and would help keep the fluctuations balanced.

Keeping the manufacturing processes in Eve would mean we could keep product transportation in the hands of Eve pilots as well, a task they are quite suited for and have adequate ways to do this.

Original plans for Dust included troop transport by Eve players. This would remove the inability to move from station to station to acquire goods remotely. Another option is allow the players to make Jump Clones, allowing instantaneous transport between systems. I could see Jita quickly becoming clogged with Dust players looking for a deal and recommend building a new market hub for Dust Items or using Rens or Hek as their main trade hub as the local population usually doesn't go higher than 1000 players at any one time that I have seen in my trade trips.

On top of all this, there has been talk in the past of giving mercs the ability to take to the stars, to go attack Eve ships with boarding modules and take them over for Eve players, transporting a Dust player may become necessary if this were to happen, rather than destroying a ship (something that fuels the market currently). This would become especially useful in Null Sec as I am sure there are some pilots with their eyes on other Pilot's Titans, Carriers and Rorquals not to mention High Sec Gankers looking for an easier way to move their spoils of war through capturing whole Freighters or Orcas being used to haul goods to market.

This would essentially turn Dust into an Open World game, for the most part giving us other avenues isk gain, tears, and providing a manufacturing line from supply, to manufacturing and market. I really don't think that Dust would be unable to stand on its own as a game, it was meant to be a part of New Eden, not separate from it.

One Universe::One War

You may play both, but I don't, and many other players don't.

Explain exactly why my ship's tank should be meaningless.

Explain, exactly, why I should be completely and utterly unable to stop some console kiddies from taking my ship away from me in any way, shape or form.

Explain, exactly, how dust people can get through shields, armour and hull that are strong enough to withstand multiple doomsdays.

The concept isn't that your ship's structure/armor/shield is meaningless. Boarding parties were an advanced part of the idea and apparently everyone likes the rest of the thoughts, great. The concept that say when you are down to structure and someone is able to line up a boarding salvo or a grappling tether to allow mercs to board your ship while it is already on it's last legs isn't all that unheard of.

Look at the way pirates in the 1600's boarded ships, captured them or sank them and made off with the spoils. This is no different. It would be the introduction of another mechanic developing the game beyond what it is right now. It would also mean there may be a reason to get involved with some of the Twitchers, as they've been called and attempt a boarding party of your own. Orca for dinner anyone?

The concept isn't that your ship's structure/armor/shield is meaningless. Boarding parties were an advanced part of the idea and apparently everyone likes the rest of the thoughts, great. The concept that say when you are down to structure and someone is able to line up a boarding salvo or a grappling tether to allow mercs to board your ship while it is already on it's last legs isn't all that unheard of.

Look at the way pirates in the 1600's boarded ships, captured them or sank them and made off with the spoils. This is no different.

It would be the introduction of another mechanic developing the game beyond what it is right now. It would also mean there may be a reason to get involved with some of the Twitchers, as they've been called and attempt a boarding party of your own. Orca for dinner anyone?

A console kiddie getting hit by an orbital strike respawns with no loss. A cap pilot losing their dread is out two, three billion at a minimum, and three weeks construction time. There is a massive difference here.

Unfortunately, this in no way works in reality.
When a target ship goes into structure it is infinitely easier and more desirable to remove it from the field as quickly as possible. The longer you let a target or hostile linger on the field, the more time there is for the target/hostile to kill you, your friends, and/or call in support that might potentially crush you.


Actually, it's very different. Back in the 1600's combat happened at damn near point-blank range, in very slow moving vessels (you could sometimes run just as fast as they sailed), that had an open-ended wooden deck filled with exposed people.

You almost never hear about that today in modern naval warfare because ships engage each other dozens to hundreds of kilometers away, move quite fast, are heavily armored with dozens to hundreds of armed people scattered about within, and they actually care about their survival.

In EVE we are flying ships that engage each other at hundreds of kilometers away... flying at speeds and pushing G-forces that will reduce fleshy bodies into goo (if internal inertial dampeners were off)... are shielded/armored to withstand thermonuclear explosions, focused plasma streams, anti-matter bombardment, and car-sized artillery shells going at hyper velocity speeds... and will often commit suicide before surrendering (because we can't actually die).



*LOADING MAP*
*Orca level created*
*OBJECTIVE: Take over the Orca*
*Match Time: 10 minutes*
*WARNING: CAPSULEER HAS INITIATED AUTO-DESTRUCT... MAP WILL BLOW UP IN 2 MINUTES*

Good luck trying to take over a ~2km long ship on full lock-down in 2 minutes.