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Kill Mail / Kill Boards

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Tera Tole
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-11-09 09:54:49 UTC
Hi new here. A asked in rookie but got no reply. I have notice others posting links to a killboard that shows who they killed and rates ect. Seems this is common and you can serch for players. I also noticed I am not in the data base and was wondering is it requird that I make an account first? Also do the players who's ships you destroy need to have an account to register?

How does the information get posted Is there 3rd party software required to update these boards.

Also how much faith can I place on the boards? From what I see it seems that they are very trusted can data entered be altered?
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-09 10:13:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
You won't be in the database of those killboards unless you have lost a ship to another player or killed another player ship.

One of the most common Killboards is Battleclinic which attempts to hold every players kills and losses on an individual basis, although you can search for corps too.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/

If you enter your API information in the relevant place it will automatically pull your data from Eve or you can manually copy the KillMail (KM) into Battleclinic on the page linked above. For the latter though, you will only be able to access the KMs containing kills where you got the final blow plus all your losses. These mails you will find in the Combat Log tab of your character sheet. Kills that you merely assisted on, even if you were the top damage dealer do not appear there, but you can copy them from another killboard if they appear on them.

You do not need to set up an account with Battleclinic to manually post a mail. But you do of course to register your API key.

Most corps usually subscribe to an Eve-Kill killboard which specifically deals with their own corp. In this case the CEO of the corp enters his API information and then the killboard extracts all the KMs that feature corp pilots one way or another every couple of hours. Again you can manually post the kills for a faster update. The 'problem' with this killboard is that when you move corps you start again at zero, thus people often maintain their battleclinic KB in parallel.

On these boards, there is no account to register, but often a password supplied by your corp that you need to use when manually posting KMs

Of course errors do happen and it is possible to fake killmails. Most board administrators take a dim view of the latter, it is usually very quickly brought to their attention and is removed. Board administrators can edit KMs once posted, but there has to be a good reason for them to do it, clear evidence that the KM is malformed or faked, they won't remove it just because you don't want to see an expensive loss or an 'unfair' gank.
Tera Tole
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-11-09 10:29:40 UTC
So I do need an account, but the target does not. If I entr in the Kill Mail from ingame it will update only if I do finel blow. If API will also add those I added in killing? Is that correct?

Also what is an API code and where do I find mine?
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-11-09 10:35:41 UTC
I've edited the first post with this - but you do not need an account to manually post a KM in Battleclinic, the page linked above has the post mail box on it.

API is a code that you can get from Eve online website, I forget where exactly but it shouldn't be too difficult to find.
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2011-11-09 10:37:26 UTC
Tera Tole wrote:
So I do need an account, but the target does not. If I entr in the Kill Mail from ingame it will update only if I do finel blow. If API will also add those I added in killing? Is that correct?

Also what is an API code and where do I find mine?


The API system is used for sharing certain data from EVE Online (e.g. your character's skills, market transactions, contract information, killmails, etc.) with third-party applications. You can create customized API keys for each application using this page.

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire

Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-11-09 10:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
The 'final blow' decides who gets the KM in their Combat Log on the victor side. You might be in a fleet of 20, only the guy with the final blow gets the KM in their ingame Combat Log + the losing player also gets a Loss Mail. If you get either, you can manually copy and paste it into a Killboard.

If you don't have either, you have nothing to copy and paste and so you have to wait for one of the two players who got the relevant KM or the LossMail or hope that one of them is API registered somewhere. Note though that some players don't post their Loss Mails, so you are reliant on the Final Blow fellow to post and often you will hear in fleet people calling "Come on who got the KillMail, post it..."

Once a KM is posted on a Killboard, there is an option on the killboard to copy it and thus paste it to a different Killboard.
Tera Tole
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-11-09 10:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tera Tole
Thanks again for your help. I am at work and most sites are blocked thankfully this one is not!

One last question I am still fuzzy on. Does entering your API allow you to get some credit for a kill if you are in a fleet or are these boards just a last hit type of deal? Seems if that was the case alot of fleet members get the shaft.

EDIT

Also if I give my API do I have to do so each time or will the boards draw this data own its own?
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-11-09 11:11:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
If you are in a fleet and say 20 of you activated an offensive module on the killed ship, you all appear on the KM and once it is posted, all of you gets your stats updated with a Kill.

Thus 20 individual pilots will get their kill count incremented. Plus the full value of the destroyed ship added to their Isk efficiency. Killpoints (based on ship type destroyed and value of modules fitted) are divided by the number of pilots that shared the kill and of course damage done is specific to each pilot.

Offensive modules includes Tackle and ECM and guns that fire but miss, even ones hopelessly out of range. Thus people often appear on mails with 0 damage done. With the exception of ECM and Tacklers, this is referred to as KM whoring.


Note: The damage done against a ship is reset each session counter that it goes through. In other words it is the last session counter that determines who appears on the KM (on the victor side). Thus a fleet of 20 can engage a ship on a gate. 19 of them fire on the ship and take it to deep structure, then it jumps through the gate. The single unaggressed pilot in the fleet jumps after him and catches him on the other side, fires a single shot and pops him. The KM will show that as a single pilot kill, the other 19 pilots who did the main damage won't be mentioned. In addition that KM will show that he only took a tiny amount of damage.

At the other extreme, it is possible to engage a pilot, get popped by him and then find you feature as the top damage dealer on his loss mail when he got popped himself ten minutes later in a completely different engagement, assuming he stays in the same system and doesn't dock up in the intervening time.

API information only has to be added once, assuming you don't set the expiry flag.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2011-11-09 20:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Tera Tole wrote:
One last question I am still fuzzy on. Does entering your API allow you to get some credit for a kill if you are in a fleet or are these boards just a last hit type of deal? Seems if that was the case alot of fleet members get the shaft.

API allows the kill-mail to be verified, as otherwise it could be a doctored fake. Also, API allows kill-mail entry to be automated for you.

Tera Tole wrote:
Also if I give my API do I have to do so each time or will the boards draw this data own its own?

It's automatic. The site will poll the CCP server using the API info you provide.

Note that it is important not to create an API key with too much access.

http://www.EVE-Kill.net/ is another popular site, and is usually more accurate than http://eve.battleclinic.com/