EVE General Discussion

Honest question.

Aren't there lowsec people doing this already?

Welcome to my world... pretty much everything they added in 2003 in terms of decent pvp has been taken away... HTFU...

What's been taken away? Mines?

Coffee. Ohhh that'd be great. I haven't slept. Coffee! That'd be so bad! I haven't slept! -.-

Besides the highseccers not wanting to deal with lowseccers ...

... where are these mission runners? How many ? Are we talking one per constellation ... or even less? OR MORE ??? O_O

So let me get the timeline of this thing correctly...

Pre-Rubicon: No way to bait drone aggro into engagement.
Rubicon 1.0: A way to bait drone aggro into engagement for 2-3 months
Rubicon 1.1: Again no way to bait drone aggro into engagement.

So right back to pre-Rubicon.

A downward slope only applies if there wasn't a climb before it, OP.

Solo in anything medium to large is dead unless you like dying non-stop or only engaging pve ships.
Small gang is almost dead unless you like dying a lot or flying small ****** ships.
Warp to 0 means no more catching people.
Battleships nerfed to complete garbage for anything but fleet fights.
Null sec convoys vanished replaced by insta travel jump drives and bridges.
Stations and POS in every null sec system means everyone has a place to hide before you load local up.

Its a long list... the game which was promised to be harsh and mean has been carebearified to hell... which is why you're here whining you can't kill defenseless mission runners by shooting their MTU's and exploiting a likely unintended feature, instead of out in low sec or null sec like I used to be hunting the same sorts of ships with a decent chance of success.

I would, Angelica, however I do not mission bait. Doesn't mean I cannot be sad for those I know who do. And they will abide, as they did before. Most will use the same tactics they used before, and all will be well. It'll suck not seeing LOL mails posted, but that is life.

Hubris and e-peen stroking is what caused this to be changed. Too many laughs, too many tears, and too many hits against too many high value targets. Tbh, CCP should be happy that it exists. Because the 5-10 PLEX that the player bought for that that 1-5bil isk mission ship (or more) is simply money in CCP's pocket, because both you and I know that the loot fairy sucks at times, and we know why that is. Isk sink, plain and simple.

Also does not change the fact that it was a viable mechanic, that CCP acknowledged as a viable mechanic. Drones, while a weapon system, are the only weapon system to feature a passive and aggressive toggle. But rather than changing the drone UI, and how it works, like players have asked for years, they change one small little thing, that quite frankly, played right into the mythos that CCP is trying to create via it's newfound "The Empires Are Losing Control/Empire Vs. CONCORD" lore. If we, as capsuleers, are becoming the controlling entity in New Eden as CCP advertises, would logic not dictate that mechanics such as these should be commonplace?

And most importantly, this was not the first nerf to HS piracy. Hulkageddon, a player created event that a great many took part in, is a relic of the past. Barge buffs made sure of that. Before, you have to choose...isk per hour vs. safety. Risk vs. Reward. The core nature of the game itself. In a game which the developers promote (to the point of ignoring their own EULA), player created content. Sure, MB rose up to replace that, but it is not quite what it used to be. It is a mainstay now. Not a once a year bloodbath.

I mean, let's be honest, during those events, how much press coverage did CCP reap at the expense of those of us who would participate? All due respect to James and Co., but because it has become a permanent profession, it is no longer viable as press coverage...Press coverage, which in turn increases sub numbers. Does curb botting, and afking, though. So that is a plus. But for how long?

Or how about Crimewatch in general? Now, I could see becoming suspect to the corp you stole/baited/whatever from. Even an NPC corp, to be quite honest. At any given time, in numerous NPC channels, there are on average 200+ in the channel. But to become suspect to the entire community? You did not steal/bait/whatever from the entire community. And again, with we supposed demi-gods becoming the controlling power in the universe, what logic does it serve?

Or how about taking player choice/mistakes out of the equation? A green safety takes that away. In my early days I had to learn the hard way that if you shot someone in HS, you were CONCORDED. We didn't have a little green button that kept us from learning from our mistakes. No, instead, we were told to HTFU. Which in turn caused those of us who learned the hard lessons to HTFU, and keep that message alive.

And, most importantly, it begs the question..."What's Next?" Make no mistake, I could care less about the MTU, or the OP's tears over losing a viable, albeit cheap, tactic. Is what it is. I am more concerned about a playstyle many people enjoy.

What happens if war-dec's go away?

What happens when a player can no longer shoot corp members, destroying awoxing?

What happens when shares are removed from the game, preventing heists and hostile takeovers?

What happens when ganking becomes "too much for high sec to bear?"

What happens when all PvP is forbidden in high-sec, essentially Trammel-izing EvE, a game that at it's core, is about PvP?

What happens when the common EvE adage of "When you undock, you consent to PvP" becomes a long forgotten memory?

Where does it end? And is it, or is it not, counter-intuitive to the story/lore/mythos that CCP themselves are trying to sell with their 3-5 year "vision?" If anything, HS piracy should be getting buffed to serve that mythos. Because the nerfing playstyles only takes the player created content out of the picture...like Hulkageddon.

So, by all means, tell me...where does it end?

That, is the real question.

Your tears are delicious OP. Don't agree with any of your points, improvements in EvE that attract more players are always welcome. If that means we lose your sub cause you can't handle change, then so be it. You can expect EvE to continue to change, expand and evolve, so anyone that can't handle it shouldn't be playing anyway. EvE is designed to appeal to everyone's playstyle, it doesn't conform to any specific viewpoint. The game is what you make of it.

And all of this, because they stopped one method in which you can gank defenceless targets? There is no end to the whining of the gank-bears. They already play EvE on easymode, what else do they want served to them on a silver plate? I suggest you express your opinions of highsec players in the time honoured EvE fashion, by exploding them!

Not that you would actually unsub. People only mean that if they give away their stuff......

Yes you can still can flip to bait mission runners.

The OP is pissed off because after the patch the drones won't automatically begin the LE - allowing the mission runner to make the choice- take the bait or, you know, not.

then set the drones to passive only and automaticaly when safety is set to green.

ho, yeah, in the mean time, this would also prevent AFK missioning, maybe that's why they create yet another "exception".....