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SOE Nestor Battleship discussion

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#101 - 2014-03-13 10:47:13 UTC
Steph Livingston wrote:
That's the same build... I think something went wrong in your post.

I think I should point out that the Nestor's laser bonus fits an extreme sniper rather then a close range bruiser. Even if you can't fit a whole rack, T2 beam lasers pre crystal should have an optimal range of 70km+. Throw a set of microwave and wardens out and you're probably effective up to the 120km range.

Ships like the Domi can do that, but rely on drone damage exclusively.


Actually with Scorch L, a range bonus turns Pulse lasers into a "very nearly long" range weapon with short range tracking.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Steph Livingston
Neko's Blanket
#102 - 2014-03-13 12:56:01 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

Actually with Scorch L, a range bonus turns Pulse lasers into a "very nearly long" range weapon with short range tracking.


True, the range is still impressive when you fit a set of Pulse lasers, but I personally feel like I'm wasting the bonus a little bit when I fit pulse.

I normally use a domi to run PvE missions, and I try to engage at ranges over 100km to destroy most of the threats before they can even fire back. Beams just give me the option of adding a little DPS at that range.

It's far from optimal, but it works for me.

Anyways, it's not worth risking a Nestor to test with right now. The price actually shot up after the patch, making it an even bigger gank target than before. Hopefully we start seeing the drone chips come in, so the price can start dropping soon.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#103 - 2014-03-13 13:42:23 UTC
It looks like the bigest problem of the Nestor is not in fact it's power or usefulness, but its price.

And the price is set up that high because of the Stratios, Astero and probing tools of the sisters.

I find this extremely funny, because when the Stratios was discussed everyone was crying for OPness because of how cheap it would be because of highsec farmers. It turns out that people couldn't have been more wrong.

Now, a lot of people have turned to sister's missions, so I think the prices will go down eventually to a more normal price, and the chips should greatly help for this. The process will only take some time.
Steph Livingston
Neko's Blanket
#104 - 2014-03-13 15:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Steph Livingston
I used to think that way, but I've come to realize that to many people have tied it's cost to to the LP/ISK ratio they equate for the SoE and refuse to sell for cheaper.

If anything is going to bring down the price, it'll be the new drone turn ins. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the drop rate of that sort of thing is, and what kind of effect it's having on the other pirate fractions to make any intelligent guess.

Honestly, I think the only way we're going to see the Nestor drop to a reasonable price is if the LP price for the SoE Ships was dropped to the same price as the other factions. If it was rebalanced, the Nestor would be worth around 1bil at the current exchange rate, before being influenced by the NPC drops. It's still high, but more reasonable then the current prices.

I know CCP tried to balance the 'risk/reward' mechanic, but the current system isn't working.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#105 - 2014-03-13 22:15:18 UTC
Steph Livingston wrote:
I used to think that way, but I've come to realize that to many people have tied it's cost to to the LP/ISK ratio they equate for the SoE and refuse to sell for cheaper.

If anything is going to bring down the price, it'll be the new drone turn ins. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the drop rate of that sort of thing is, and what kind of effect it's having on the other pirate fractions to make any intelligent guess.

Honestly, I think the only way we're going to see the Nestor drop to a reasonable price is if the LP price for the SoE Ships was dropped to the same price as the other factions. If it was rebalanced, the Nestor would be worth around 1bil at the current exchange rate, before being influenced by the NPC drops. It's still high, but more reasonable then the current prices.

I know CCP tried to balance the 'risk/reward' mechanic, but the current system isn't working.

What drives the price of the Nestor is the isk/sisters LP ratio. This price is itself driver crazy high by the demand on the new ships (Astero and Stratios) and the old sister's probing tools. Sister's probing tools are already rather widely spread on the market, so the additional work force who came to grind LP for the new mainly only partialy absorbed the demand for the new ships. But when everyone will have its new toy, there will only need a little more than to replace the dying ones.

As far as I know, prices for the Stratios are still droping, and prices for the Astero have almost reached the level of other pirate frigates so the market will settle soon for these ships. And with the chips, the only remaining driving factor for the sister's LP cost will be the probing tools, but the farmers won't ignore them forever.

If I'd made a bet, I'd say that with the chips and nullsec sister's corp, eventually the ships won't be as good as the probing tools for highsec sister's LP, so the farmers will leave the ships alone and focus on the probing tools ; so the remaining ships sources will be the same as other pirate faction ships, and the prices will finaly settle at the same level.

PS : IIRC, a dev said that the drop rate for the chips will be the same than for other pirate faction, but I'm not sure anymore.
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#106 - 2014-03-14 07:43:26 UTC
The thoughts form the devs were along the lines of saying that they main reason they didn't make it covops is that it would step on the toes of the black ops boats, which implies they have a desire to change them to covops, something i am totally ok with. I figure wait and see until blops thread hits and we can see one way or the other if they decided giving blops and then by extension the Nestor is a good idea. Which I think it is, for the record; solo blops ships would make FANTASTIC nullsec and wh site runners. MJD covops for the win!