Ships & Modules

Alright so the Tempest is pretty much useless right now in PvP compared to the other attack battleships. Now before anyone says "oh you can't just compare those 4 battleships after tiercide" YES YOU CAN. There are now 2 classes of battleships; combat and attack, its not proper to compare the Tempest to anything other than the Apocalypse, Raven or Megathron as all the other battleships are combat battleships.

The Tempests first issue is its speed and agility. It has the highest speed just barely but only the second highest agility. Now I don't want to be accused of hyperbolie so I'm throwing it out now that its speed and agility difference won't make or break a fight. Its literally a difference of 6m/s in speed and .3 seconds on its align time between the 2 most agile attack battleships. As many people know the server acts in 1 second ticks so anything under a second doesn't matter and 6m/s isn't going to make a difference.

The rather odd part about the tempest though is its EHP. With a 4 slot tank EANM x2, DCU, 1600 Plate it has the most EHP of the attack battleships.....well ok then I guess we need to forget the tempest's old role of nano BS and fit it to be an EHP whore like everything seems to be going these days. Personally I'd like to see it be made to have less EHP than the Mega and Apoc and be given more agility to compensate but that's just my opinion on ships and Minmatar lore etc.

The major issue I have personally with the tempest is its slot layout. Slot layout is only just behind ship bonuses in terms of what dictates a ships role. The Tempest just has a bad layout it doesn't have enough slots in either its mediums or lows to really do much compared to its 3 counterparts. I could get all into DPS graphs but the harsh reality is paper numbers are only a small small part of the equation. Lets just say that the tempest needs another low slot so it can a proper armor tanking battleship. 2 utility highs are a nice luxury but taking one away to make it 7 low slots would go a long way in making the Tempest competitive again.

Lets look at an example fitting right now for the tempest

[Tempest, ]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Computer II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator I

I like this as a fitting because of the tracking computer you can select what you need at the time but if the tempest had 7 lows with one less neut we could see something like this.

[Tempest, ]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator I

With 7 lows you get a TE and a second web to provide a double bonus to tracking.

Take what you will from this I just think something needs to be done about the Tempest it needs to be more solidified in a role and sadly the role of Neuting battleship is already taken by the Combat BS Armageddon and the Pirate BS Bhaalgorn. Nano BS is better left to the Typhoon after the TE nerf since torps don't need tracking and the Machariel is just fast as **** anyway so a nano goes a long way on it with its native tracking bonuses. So the Tempest sits as a subpar semisolo battleship forever overshadowed by its peers.

The T1 tempest shouldn't be compared to the Bhaal, or Mach. You sort of said that yourself in your first paragraph.

Typhoon is a torp platform mostly, (or cruise lately I've heard), so that leaves the Tempest as a cheap gun platform for gun guys.
It's not really a *neut ship*, but those are awesome utility fittings for a ship that, *most people fly like a big BC*

It can shield fit, armor fit, nano fit, snipe.
I like that it's a jack of all trades.
I also think a good Tempest pilot could kill all of the other 3 BS you mentioned.
Kite the Megas DPS
Neut the Ravens tank
Natural resists against a laser Geddon. Kill the drones and finish him with capless weapons.


Not saying your idea is total shiit, just that I like all the utility the current layout has.

Gone are the days of taking a tempest on a BC roam

The bhaal is a bad comparison to a tempest, but not the mach. The mach outclasses the tempest in every way while the bhaal can't neut as far as the geddon and the rattlesnake can't hit as far or apply as much dps as the dominix. Oh and the megathron is faster than the tempest, usingnull it projects nearly as far. A raven could use asbs and become immune to neuting. Last but certainty not least, no one has a reason to fit lasers to a geddon anymoreand even if they did the nos range bonus would keep ,them shooting.