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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2014-01-27 14:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Agreed on the neutral rep point. If a player reps a WT in your view they should automatically be considered an ally to the war target for as long as you can see them. You can't 'neutrally' help one side of a war without expecting retaliation from the other!



That is among the most stupid ideas ever. Because then our own targets woudl use their own alts to repair us and force the increase of our costs?

Think a bit before giving dumb ideas.

I dislike neutral reps as well, but your solution is NOT the solution.

Personally i think NEUTRAL remote repair should be CONCORDOKEN!!!

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#162 - 2014-01-27 14:35:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Unfortunately, this cowardly douche-bag activity is accepted in EVE. CCP apparently wants to provide that griefer niche that every other mmorpg reasonably doesn't want to cater to.

EVE is a game that rewards sociopaths who lack intelligence and courage.

All we can do is be glad we don't feel the need to take our aggression out on random defenseless people like the losers do. Personally, I prefer targets that will fight back, but I understand many EVE players are inferior to me in intelligence and courage. You just have to expect this kind of activity from the pathetic cowards who play this game.

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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#163 - 2014-01-27 14:42:44 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
No.. we want an ECONOMICAL activity in high sec around fights. Being suspect is a compeltely different mechanic.

I can extend the same idiotic line of tought that he uesed.. and say.. you want to be left alone? Then logoff and never log back again.. you will be left alone. SAME PRINCIPLES as his stupid statement.

You want an economical activity in high sec around fights, you say. They want to be left alone, they say. Neither one of you has more of a right to get what he wants than the other.

Thus, couple wardec cost escalation with corporation freezing. When you dec their corp no one can leave or join either your or their corp for the length of the wardec. That way, if they pay to invalidate the wardec they get what they want and if they don't, you get what you want.

The upshot of this is balance through economics. If you spend more than they do you get your kills and loot. If they spend more than you do they get to keep doing what they're doing in peace.

But interestingly, you want to be left alone too. If you didn't you'd go to low or nullsec for your "economical pvp". You just want those you've chosen to fight being able to fight you because you know they can't. So you, like those you dec, are simply carebears looking for a nice safe playtime. Your overt and unnecessary aggression in this thread just goes to show that the carebear crown sits well on your head. Also, you don't need to capitalise random words. If you want to stress something, use the bold, italic or underline features. That's what they're there for. Capitalising words just makes you look like an ignorant fool.

I find it very funny reading all the crying and whining from you guys over not having enough defenceless players to shoot. You're worse than the miners, you really are. It's frankly pathetic.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2014-01-27 15:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
Tchulen wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
No.. we want an ECONOMICAL activity in high sec around fights. Being suspect is a compeltely different mechanic.

I can extend the same idiotic line of tought that he uesed.. and say.. you want to be left alone? Then logoff and never log back again.. you will be left alone. SAME PRINCIPLES as his stupid statement.

You want an economical activity in high sec around fights, you say. They want to be left alone, they say. Neither one of you has more of a right to get what he wants than the other.

Thus, couple wardec cost escalation with corporation freezing. When you dec their corp no one can leave or join either your or their corp for the length of the wardec. That way, if they pay to invalidate the wardec they get what they want and if they don't, you get what you want.

The upshot of this is balance through economics. If you spend more than they do you get your kills and loot. If they spend more than you do they get to keep doing what they're doing in peace.

But interestingly, you want to be left alone too. If you didn't you'd go to low or nullsec for your "economical pvp". You just want those you've chosen to fight being able to fight you because you know they can't. So you, like those you dec, are simply carebears looking for a nice safe playtime. Your overt and unnecessary aggression in this thread just goes to show that the carebear crown sits well on your head. Also, you don't need to capitalise random words. If you want to stress something, use the bold, italic or underline features. That's what they're there for. Capitalising words just makes you look like an ignorant fool.

I find it very funny reading all the crying and whining from you guys over not having enough defenceless players to shoot. You're worse than the miners, you really are. It's frankly pathetic.



IF people could not leave corps while in war yes that woudl be OK. But ccp will never implement that, because then makes impossible to remove someone from a corp if that someone desires to stay (he makes an alt corp and war dec his corp.. ) . If you allow him to be kicked from corp.. then peopel can leave and the mechanic fails.


The intent of your idea is OK, but is not feasible in eve.

We do not cry for not havign defenseless player, we do not CRY. We just hate peopel that THINK can say anything about war decs without ever being in an war dec corp. THey THINk they know why we do stuff and only type bullshit.

We wardec doznes of corps because we need at least 1 thousand players in war at any moment to have around 20 online!! That is the reality of the cowardice of eve players.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#165 - 2014-01-27 15:32:30 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Tchulen wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
No.. we want an ECONOMICAL activity in high sec around fights. Being suspect is a compeltely different mechanic.

I can extend the same idiotic line of tought that he uesed.. and say.. you want to be left alone? Then logoff and never log back again.. you will be left alone. SAME PRINCIPLES as his stupid statement.

You want an economical activity in high sec around fights, you say. They want to be left alone, they say. Neither one of you has more of a right to get what he wants than the other.

Thus, couple wardec cost escalation with corporation freezing. When you dec their corp no one can leave or join either your or their corp for the length of the wardec. That way, if they pay to invalidate the wardec they get what they want and if they don't, you get what you want.

The upshot of this is balance through economics. If you spend more than they do you get your kills and loot. If they spend more than you do they get to keep doing what they're doing in peace.

But interestingly, you want to be left alone too. If you didn't you'd go to low or nullsec for your "economical pvp". You just want those you've chosen to fight being able to fight you because you know they can't. So you, like those you dec, are simply carebears looking for a nice safe playtime. Your overt and unnecessary aggression in this thread just goes to show that the carebear crown sits well on your head. Also, you don't need to capitalise random words. If you want to stress something, use the bold, italic or underline features. That's what they're there for. Capitalising words just makes you look like an ignorant fool.

I find it very funny reading all the crying and whining from you guys over not having enough defenceless players to shoot. You're worse than the miners, you really are. It's frankly pathetic.



IF people could not leave corps while in war yes that woudl be OK. But ccp will never implement that, because then makes impossible to remove someone from a corp if that someone desires to stay (he makes an alt corp and war dec his corp.. ) . If you allow him to be kicked from corp.. then peopel can leave and the mechanic fails.


The intent of your idea is OK, but is not feasible in eve.

We do not cry for not havign defenseless player, we do not CRY. We just hate peopel that THINK can say anything about war decs without ever being in an war dec corp. THey THINk they know why we do stuff and only type bullshit.

We wardec doznes of corps because we need at least 1 thousand players in war at any moment to have around 20 online!! That is the reality of the cowardice of eve players.


Honest Question:

If you don't want easy kills and you claim to only dec as many indy corps as you do so you "can have around 20 online"--

Why not dec other dec corps? You'd get people online all the time. Is it because they know what they are doing and would fight back? If you did as I suggest, you wouldn't need "1000 players in war" to get your 20 online.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#166 - 2014-01-27 15:49:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
Alaekessa wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Tchulen wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
No.. we want an ECONOMICAL activity in high sec around fights. Being suspect is a compeltely different mechanic.

I can extend the same idiotic line of tought that he uesed.. and say.. you want to be left alone? Then logoff and never log back again.. you will be left alone. SAME PRINCIPLES as his stupid statement.

You want an economical activity in high sec around fights, you say. They want to be left alone, they say. Neither one of you has more of a right to get what he wants than the other.

Thus, couple wardec cost escalation with corporation freezing. When you dec their corp no one can leave or join either your or their corp for the length of the wardec. That way, if they pay to invalidate the wardec they get what they want and if they don't, you get what you want.

The upshot of this is balance through economics. If you spend more than they do you get your kills and loot. If they spend more than you do they get to keep doing what they're doing in peace.

But interestingly, you want to be left alone too. If you didn't you'd go to low or nullsec for your "economical pvp". You just want those you've chosen to fight being able to fight you because you know they can't. So you, like those you dec, are simply carebears looking for a nice safe playtime. Your overt and unnecessary aggression in this thread just goes to show that the carebear crown sits well on your head. Also, you don't need to capitalise random words. If you want to stress something, use the bold, italic or underline features. That's what they're there for. Capitalising words just makes you look like an ignorant fool.

I find it very funny reading all the crying and whining from you guys over not having enough defenceless players to shoot. You're worse than the miners, you really are. It's frankly pathetic.



IF people could not leave corps while in war yes that woudl be OK. But ccp will never implement that, because then makes impossible to remove someone from a corp if that someone desires to stay (he makes an alt corp and war dec his corp.. ) . If you allow him to be kicked from corp.. then peopel can leave and the mechanic fails.


The intent of your idea is OK, but is not feasible in eve.

We do not cry for not havign defenseless player, we do not CRY. We just hate peopel that THINK can say anything about war decs without ever being in an war dec corp. THey THINk they know why we do stuff and only type bullshit.

We wardec doznes of corps because we need at least 1 thousand players in war at any moment to have around 20 online!! That is the reality of the cowardice of eve players.


Honest Question:

If you don't want easy kills and you claim to only dec as many indy corps as you do so you "can have around 20 online"--

Why not dec other dec corps? You'd get people online all the time. Is it because they know what they are doing and would fight back? If you did as I suggest, you wouldn't need "1000 players in war" to get your 20 online.


How about you forget the MYTHS and check our war decs? We usually have several war dec corps. A few we do not wardec because they are FRIENDS. there is diplomacy in high sec as well.

Also we need mroe of the non war dec corps as targets sicn those are the ones that we HUNT for profit (killing expensive ships etc) and they are less likely to undock.


I wil repeat, CHECK our war dec history and shut up after seeing how many high sec mercenary groups we fought (chekc both U-MAD and the alliance, sicne the alliance is rather new and the war dec pool is separated)

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#167 - 2014-01-27 16:00:32 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
We do not cry for not havign defenseless player, we do not CRY.

Well, you say you don't cry but I'm reading a lot of whining and frankly, it sounds a lot like crying from where I'm sitting. The fact you need to shout (I assume all this capitalising of words is you shouting anyway) indicates you are about to cry at the very least. Usually when people shout that they're not crying they're trying their hardest not to cry becaues they are, in fact, crying on the inside.

Kagura Nikon wrote:
We just hate peopel that THINK can say anything about war decs without ever being in an war dec corp. THey THINk they know why we do stuff and only type bullshit.

We wardec doznes of corps because we need at least 1 thousand players in war at any moment to have around 20 online!! That is the reality of the cowardice of eve players.

There it is. You hate people. You're a hater. That's why you do this. You like to hurt people because you hate them. The absolute definition of the high sec wardecing carebear. You really are worse than those that you hate.

You see, you don't need to be a high sec wardeccer unless you're that kind of person. I don't wardec anyone but I make a very nice living from PvP and get some decent kills living in nullsec. But then I guess I'm not a carebear. I'm not scared of people attacking and killing me. I play for the fun of playing, not to upset people for the fun of it.

And seriously, you come across as an ignorant fool with all that capitalisation. You really do. Learn to use the forum tools.
Veronica Felix
Doomheim
#168 - 2014-01-27 16:10:09 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:


We wardec dozens of corps because we need at least 1 thousand players in war at any moment to have around 20 online!! That is the reality of the cowardice of eve players.


I travel through Goon territory now and then, and encounter hundreds of Goons. No dec corp that has decced us have ever declared war on them. Or on Stay Frosty. Or on The Tuskers. They always target the weakest they can find. THis is why high sec war dec corps are cowardly. They are like hunters who like to shoot caged foxes because they are too afraid to go out into the forest for bears.

The new(ish) corp recruitment search feature has not helped matters any. The way it functions anyone can easily search for the corps to dec and grief that suit the deccers limited skill set and courage.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#169 - 2014-01-27 16:12:08 UTC
When war decs are so easy to avoid, why do you complain?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#170 - 2014-01-27 16:36:48 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
We do not cry for not havign defenseless player, we do not CRY.

Well, you say you don't cry but I'm reading a lot of whining and frankly, it sounds a lot like crying from where I'm sitting. The fact you need to shout (I assume all this capitalising of words is you shouting anyway) indicates you are about to cry at the very least. Usually when people shout that they're not crying they're trying their hardest not to cry becaues they are, in fact, crying on the inside.

Kagura Nikon wrote:
We just hate peopel that THINK can say anything about war decs without ever being in an war dec corp. THey THINk they know why we do stuff and only type bullshit.

We wardec doznes of corps because we need at least 1 thousand players in war at any moment to have around 20 online!! That is the reality of the cowardice of eve players.

There it is. You hate people. You're a hater. That's why you do this. You like to hurt people because you hate them. The absolute definition of the high sec wardecing carebear. You really are worse than those that you hate.

You see, you don't need to be a high sec wardeccer unless you're that kind of person. I don't wardec anyone but I make a very nice living from PvP and get some decent kills living in nullsec. But then I guess I'm not a carebear. I'm not scared of people attacking and killing me. I play for the fun of playing, not to upset people for the fun of it.

And seriously, you come across as an ignorant fool with all that capitalisation. You really do. Learn to use the forum tools.



No I am not the hater. You a re the one hating here. I LOVE, I love to play this game with my friends and have fun in a good PVP game, experiencing the joy of HUNT.

If you cannot comprehend the usage of capitalization to enphasize words that on previous posts you have been CLEARLY UNABLE TO READ... then I am sorry for you, because i am just trying to help you overcome your clear handicaped capabilities.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#171 - 2014-01-27 16:37:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
I think some people here don´t get it.
There are simply people in eve that produce stuff, do pve, trading and so on. They are not interested in pvp.
But they are forced into it. With terrible consequences.
I once got my hauling alt into such a carebear corp (all really nice people, sometimes I think the pvpers are the psychopaths) and wondered how many wannabe pvpers wardecced them. Usually 5 guys and their 20 alts^^
Consequence was always that the whole corp of maybe 80 people stopped to play for a month until wardec ended.
The idiotic wannabe pvp wardeccers almost didn´t get any kills and 80 pvers simply stopped playing. Plus CCP had 80 people that were less active.
In the end: no winner.
Give PVEers their superhighsec or something similar. You can´t force people into pvp. Point. If people want to do pve only they shall do it. In the end these are the people who buy the plex from CCP and we pvp high earning idiots buy these plex from them.
Actually eve is a *** the weak game. Highsecwardecs, ganks etc. We really could rename it to "Psychopath Online".

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#172 - 2014-01-27 16:37:56 UTC
Veronica Felix wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:


We wardec dozens of corps because we need at least 1 thousand players in war at any moment to have around 20 online!! That is the reality of the cowardice of eve players.


I travel through Goon territory now and then, and encounter hundreds of Goons. No dec corp that has decced us have ever declared war on them. Or on Stay Frosty. Or on The Tuskers. They always target the weakest they can find. THis is why high sec war dec corps are cowardly. They are like hunters who like to shoot caged foxes because they are too afraid to go out into the forest for bears.

The new(ish) corp recruitment search feature has not helped matters any. The way it functions anyone can easily search for the corps to dec and grief that suit the deccers limited skill set and courage.



Funny because we jsut spend a week of war against them and still are against Solar fleet.

Some alliances we do not wardec because we are alts of members on those alliances. Simple as that.. would be stupid to shoot ourselves.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#173 - 2014-01-27 16:52:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
I think some people here don´t get it.
There are simply people in eve that produce stuff, do pve, trading and so on. They are not interested in pvp.
But they are forced into it. With terrible consequences.
I once got my hauling alt into such a carebear corp (all really nice people, sometimes I think the pvpers are the psychopaths) and wondered how many wannabe pvpers wardecced them. Usually 5 guys and their 20 alts^^
Consequence was always that the whole corp of maybe 80 people stopped to play for a month until wardec ended.
The idiotic wannabe pvp wardeccers almost didn´t get any kills and 80 pvers simply stopped playing. Plus CCP had 80 people that were less active.
In the end: no winner.
Give PVEers their superhighsec or something similar. You can´t force people into pvp. Point. If people want to do pve only they shall do it. In the end these are the people who buy the plex from CCP and we pvp high earning idiots buy these plex from them.
Actually eve is a *** the weak game. Highsecwardecs, ganks etc. We really could rename it to "Psychopath Online".



You do nto get eve. eve is NOT made for beign liek that. Eve is made so that PVP can and WILL be forced upon you! THat always was and always will be EVE.

If you do not liek eve, change game, but that is eve, a PVP game. If it was a PVE game it woudl ahve died as ALL PVE games (except one very huge mammoth) that existed when eve lancuhed have died).

Eve is not psycophat online.. although you want a game called COWARDICE online

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2014-01-27 16:54:19 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Agreed on the neutral rep point. If a player reps a WT in your view they should automatically be considered an ally to the war target for as long as you can see them. You can't 'neutrally' help one side of a war without expecting retaliation from the other!



That is among the most stupid ideas ever. Because then our own targets woudl use their own alts to repair us and force the increase of our costs?

Think a bit before giving dumb ideas.

I dislike neutral reps as well, but your solution is NOT the solution.

Personally i think NEUTRAL remote repair should be CONCORDOKEN!!!


I wasn't clear, I didn't meant for them to be part of the wardec calculation, I meant if a neutral is repping a war target in your view you should be allowed to shoot them as they are clearly acting as an ally for the action of repping. This would only apply whilst you can see the action of the neutral ally.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#175 - 2014-01-27 17:25:32 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
I think some people here don´t get it.
There are simply people in eve that produce stuff, do pve, trading and so on. They are not interested in pvp.
But they are forced into it. With terrible consequences.
I once got my hauling alt into such a carebear corp (all really nice people, sometimes I think the pvpers are the psychopaths) and wondered how many wannabe pvpers wardecced them. Usually 5 guys and their 20 alts^^
Consequence was always that the whole corp of maybe 80 people stopped to play for a month until wardec ended.
The idiotic wannabe pvp wardeccers almost didn´t get any kills and 80 pvers simply stopped playing. Plus CCP had 80 people that were less active.
In the end: no winner.
Give PVEers their superhighsec or something similar. You can´t force people into pvp. Point. If people want to do pve only they shall do it. In the end these are the people who buy the plex from CCP and we pvp high earning idiots buy these plex from them.
Actually eve is a *** the weak game. Highsecwardecs, ganks etc. We really could rename it to "Psychopath Online".
You mean people play Eve, a game designed to have no safe area except maybe a station. A game where people are given tools to play in a sandbox style environment and told they can do whatever they want within the scope of those tools and the framework of the game.

The trouble you seem to be having, is thinking that means others cannot affect you in any way when you use those tools in that sandbox. They can and always have been able too. For what? Oh yea, over ten years now.

Also your line regarding "Psychopath Online" is ridiculous. Just as it would be to call chess players "Murderers", because the goal of the game is regicide.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#176 - 2014-01-27 17:26:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alaekessa
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Alaekessa wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Tchulen wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
No.. we want an ECONOMICAL activity in high sec around fights. Being suspect is a compeltely different mechanic.

I can extend the same idiotic line of tought that he uesed.. and say.. you want to be left alone? Then logoff and never log back again.. you will be left alone. SAME PRINCIPLES as his stupid statement.

You want an economical activity in high sec around fights, you say. They want to be left alone, they say. Neither one of you has more of a right to get what he wants than the other.

Thus, couple wardec cost escalation with corporation freezing. When you dec their corp no one can leave or join either your or their corp for the length of the wardec. That way, if they pay to invalidate the wardec they get what they want and if they don't, you get what you want.

The upshot of this is balance through economics. If you spend more than they do you get your kills and loot. If they spend more than you do they get to keep doing what they're doing in peace.

But interestingly, you want to be left alone too. If you didn't you'd go to low or nullsec for your "economical pvp". You just want those you've chosen to fight being able to fight you because you know they can't. So you, like those you dec, are simply carebears looking for a nice safe playtime. Your overt and unnecessary aggression in this thread just goes to show that the carebear crown sits well on your head. Also, you don't need to capitalise random words. If you want to stress something, use the bold, italic or underline features. That's what they're there for. Capitalising words just makes you look like an ignorant fool.

I find it very funny reading all the crying and whining from you guys over not having enough defenceless players to shoot. You're worse than the miners, you really are. It's frankly pathetic.



IF people could not leave corps while in war yes that woudl be OK. But ccp will never implement that, because then makes impossible to remove someone from a corp if that someone desires to stay (he makes an alt corp and war dec his corp.. ) . If you allow him to be kicked from corp.. then peopel can leave and the mechanic fails.


The intent of your idea is OK, but is not feasible in eve.

We do not cry for not havign defenseless player, we do not CRY. We just hate peopel that THINK can say anything about war decs without ever being in an war dec corp. THey THINk they know why we do stuff and only type bullshit.

We wardec doznes of corps because we need at least 1 thousand players in war at any moment to have around 20 online!! That is the reality of the cowardice of eve players.


Honest Question:

If you don't want easy kills and you claim to only dec as many indy corps as you do so you "can have around 20 online"--

Why not dec other dec corps? You'd get people online all the time. Is it because they know what they are doing and would fight back? If you did as I suggest, you wouldn't need "1000 players in war" to get your 20 online.


How about you forget the MYTHS and check our war decs? We usually have several war dec corps. A few we do not wardec because they are FRIENDS. there is diplomacy in high sec as well.

Also we need mroe of the non war dec corps as targets sicn those are the ones that we HUNT for profit (killing expensive ships etc) and they are less likely to undock.


I wil repeat, CHECK our war dec history and shut up after seeing how many high sec mercenary groups we fought (chekc both U-MAD and the alliance, sicne the alliance is rather new and the war dec pool is separated)

Another honest question.

If you "Hunt them for profit" and yet "they are less likely to undock" where is the profit?

Wouldn't it be more profitable to hunt other "high-earning" PVPers such as yourself? After all, they are more likely to undock in shiny ships than the Indys are when wardec'd aren't they? Deadspace Mods, Faction Mods/Ships are these usual tools of the trade in PVP? Don't they have a chance to drop when the ship goes pop? You could be harvesting those though instead you choose to come to the forums and cry because people choose to not undock when the risk for doing so spikes.

IDK who is more risk adverse, wardec corps or the NPC corp campers.
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#177 - 2014-01-27 17:33:27 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
I think some people here don´t get it.
There are simply people in eve that produce stuff, do pve, trading and so on. They are not interested in pvp.
But they are forced into it. With terrible consequences.
I once got my hauling alt into such a carebear corp (all really nice people, sometimes I think the pvpers are the psychopaths) and wondered how many wannabe pvpers wardecced them. Usually 5 guys and their 20 alts^^
Consequence was always that the whole corp of maybe 80 people stopped to play for a month until wardec ended.
The idiotic wannabe pvp wardeccers almost didn´t get any kills and 80 pvers simply stopped playing. Plus CCP had 80 people that were less active.
In the end: no winner.
Give PVEers their superhighsec or something similar. You can´t force people into pvp. Point. If people want to do pve only they shall do it. In the end these are the people who buy the plex from CCP and we pvp high earning idiots buy these plex from them.
Actually eve is a *** the weak game. Highsecwardecs, ganks etc. We really could rename it to "Psychopath Online".
You mean people play Eve, a game designed to have no safe area except maybe a station. A game where people are given tools to play in a sandbox style environment and told they can do whatever they want within the scope of those tools and the framework of the game.

The trouble you seem to be having, is thinking that means others cannot affect you in any way when you use those tools in that sandbox. They can and always have been able too. For what? Oh yea, over ten years now.

Also your line regarding "Psychopath Online" is ridiculous. Just as it would be to call chess players "Murderers", because the goal of the game is regicide.

You have a good point, though I find it amusing how quickly some wardec corps are to cry when the prey turns those very same tools against them.

Both sides have their crybabies and both sides have players who understand what eve truly represents. It isn't necessarily a "**** the weak" game, though there are those who do build that kind of castle in their sandbox, it is a game where PvP is the main objective. Whether that PvP is ship combat or market combat or simply accomplishing goals despite having those who try to "kick over your sandcastle" is up to the individual player to decide.
Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
#178 - 2014-01-27 17:38:30 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
You do nto get eve. eve is NOT made for beign liek that. Eve is made so that PVP can and WILL be forced upon you! THat always was and always will be EVE.

If you do not liek eve, change game, but that is eve, a PVP game. If it was a PVE game it woudl ahve died as ALL PVE games (except one very huge mammoth) that existed when eve lancuhed have died).

Eve is not psycophat online.. although you want a game called COWARDICE online

Perhaps you've heard of spell checkers? Please use one.

You got one thing right in your post: EVE is a game - a sandbox. It offers a myriad of career choices including trading, manufacturing, research, invention, PVP, PVE - and lots more. People get to choose what they want to do, and that is the beauty of EVE.

PVP never has and never will be forced on anyone. Just because you want that doesn't make it so. I'd love to force Invention on you, but then I'm a mean bustard.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2014-01-27 17:41:38 UTC
Force invention on someone? You need help...then again I do invention by choice...pass me your doc's card when you've seen them!
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#180 - 2014-01-27 17:43:33 UTC
Varo Jan wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
You do nto get eve. eve is NOT made for beign liek that. Eve is made so that PVP can and WILL be forced upon you! THat always was and always will be EVE.

If you do not liek eve, change game, but that is eve, a PVP game. If it was a PVE game it woudl ahve died as ALL PVE games (except one very huge mammoth) that existed when eve lancuhed have died).

Eve is not psycophat online.. although you want a game called COWARDICE online

Perhaps you've heard of spell checkers? Please use one.

You got one thing right in your post: EVE is a game - a sandbox. It offers a myriad of career choices including trading, manufacturing, research, invention, PVP, PVE - and lots more. People get to choose what they want to do, and that is the beauty of EVE.

PVP never has and never will be forced on anyone. Just because you want that doesn't make it so. I'd love to force Invention on you, but then I'm a mean bustard.

You get a like for spellchecker.

Though I disagree with your assertion that PvP "never has been forced on anyone". Tell that to the miners who've lost Exhumers during a Hulkageddon. Or how about the haulers who got ganked for their juicy loots.