Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would say that EVE is a game about competition among players, and cooperation among players. Because it's a video game, there are more people into the "shooting" competition than are into the other forms of competition in the game, but everything in the game is fundamentally competitive/cooperative -- not just combat PvP.

It's probably a bit too easy for corps to evade, but the reason for that is that CCP understands that there are some players who really are carebears -- that is, they don't want to be involved in combat PvP at all. No incentive will change their behavior. If EVE were restructured as a game where anyone over 6 months old could be wardecced at any time, the true carebear players would either find a way around that (like they do under current mechanics) or simply avoid playing. The idea that you can change the behavior of these players through incentives is false -- and CCP understands that. These are "hard" preferences we are dealing with here, and EVE, as a game, is designed to accommodate that playstyle as well as the combat PvP playstyle.

As for NPC corps and the question of why everyone isn't subject to the same mechanics, the answer is the same. Some people are simply carebears. Being in an NPC corp has disadvantages, even for carebears (e.g., no POS), and generally is a more limited experience than being in the world of player owned corps. But, again there are players who prefer that tradeoff, and CCP has always made it available to them. It's fine that they are not subject to the wardec mechanic, because there are tradeoffs there which these players have bought into by staying in an NPC corp. Forcing these carebears out of their NPC corps and into small player owned corps so that they can be wardecced will simply cause them to logoff, perhaps permanently if it is a common occurrence. Yes, players who are more diverse and rounded in their gameplay will shake their heads at this, noting that they should HTFU and L2P and so on, but, again, the reality is that there are players who will not change their playstyle because they do not find it fun to do so --> the bottom line is that you cannot force a playstyle on people that they will actually play. You can, however, by forcing a playstyle on them, force them into a hard decision as to whether or not to continue playing -- either for as long as the war lasts, or, again depending on individual thresholds, permanently.

Far better for the game to accommodate different playstyles, with the NPC corps, and their disadvantages, for people who want a more limited play experience.

It is, because it's not true.

The advantage of fighting is grown experience and possibly satisfaction. The disadvantage of running away is that it reinforces cowardness and the belief that problems can be solved that way.

What?

We're comparing large corporations to small corporations. The war dec mechanic has nothing to do with individuals, nor is it intended to.

You didnt say that in your lawsuit metaphor.

Individual or small corp, same result versus multinational.

Don't be so obtuse.

You're both in the same system. Good enough reason tbh. I mean, this game is being marketed as a PvP-oriented MMO, do you really need more reasons to fight?

When you've lost the argument, insult the person.

Meanwhile: you live in a reality where people don't chain successive ownerships of small/empty LLCs that are basically nothing but names. Yeah. Never happens. Not ever.

And it's certainly not an evasive strategy. Not at all.

eve promises more than just call of duty stuff, conflict driver are deffo needed

i think you've lost it mate.

did you get ganked in highsec today? is that why you are here?

I partly agree with you ... and partly agree with him.

It doesn't hurt to have more things to actually fight for/over, but it's not like there aren't any things to fight for/over already.

In the end, though, it wouldn't stop people from whining about being victims wardecs.

If there are harsher penalties for not fighting or evading a wardec, you only incentivize (that isn't a word?) people staying docked, not logging in, and just waiting out the war. Again, no bueno.