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Caldari PVP needs a serious buff.

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Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#21 - 2011-11-10 18:18:04 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
OP is just wishing he could fly a Caldari ship like a Hurricane.

wahhhhhhhh why can't my 70k ehp drake do 700 dps also, waaaahhhhhhhh

H T F U :)

-Pete


Dont know about you but my ham drake does 80-90k ehp and 700dps.

OP is an idiot, all the races have pluses and minuses when it comes to ships and Caldari has some brilliant ships

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]

Goose99
#22 - 2011-11-10 18:20:00 UTC
Korg Tronix wrote:
TheButcherPete wrote:
OP is just wishing he could fly a Caldari ship like a Hurricane.

wahhhhhhhh why can't my 70k ehp drake do 700 dps also, waaaahhhhhhhh

H T F U :)

-Pete


Dont know about you but my ham drake does 80-90k ehp and 700dps.

OP is an idiot, all the races have pluses and minuses when it comes to ships and Caldari has some brilliant ships

Goose99 wrote:
There's nothing wrong with Caldari, because Caldari = drake, and drakes are fine in pvp. Raven = drake, Ferox = drake, Rokh = drake, Moa = drake, and everything else Caldari = drake. Thus nothing Caldari ever needs buff.

There's nothing wrong with Gallante, because Gallante = Nyx. Brutix = Nyx, Hyperion = Nyx, Thorax = Nyx, Diemost = Nyx, and everything else Gallante = Nyx. Thus nothing Gallante ever needs buff.
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#23 - 2011-11-10 18:24:59 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Korg Tronix wrote:
TheButcherPete wrote:
OP is just wishing he could fly a Caldari ship like a Hurricane.

wahhhhhhhh why can't my 70k ehp drake do 700 dps also, waaaahhhhhhhh

H T F U :)

-Pete


Dont know about you but my ham drake does 80-90k ehp and 700dps.

OP is an idiot, all the races have pluses and minuses when it comes to ships and Caldari has some brilliant ships

Goose99 wrote:
There's nothing wrong with Caldari, because Caldari = drake, and drakes are fine in pvp. Raven = drake, Ferox = drake, Rokh = drake, Moa = drake, and everything else Caldari = drake. Thus nothing Caldari ever needs buff.

There's nothing wrong with Gallante, because Gallante = Nyx. Brutix = Nyx, Hyperion = Nyx, Thorax = Nyx, Diemost = Nyx, and everything else Gallante = Nyx. Thus nothing Gallante ever needs buff.


Merlin, Hookbill, Buzzard, Caracal, Drake, Scorpion, Onyx, Falcon/Rook, Blackbird, Kestrel, Hawk, Harpy are all great ships stop trolling

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]

Cletus Graeme
Shai Dorsai
#24 - 2011-11-11 14:25:49 UTC
I think most players would agree Caldari need a pvp buff. A few awesome ships does not make up for a decent lineup across all classes which is what you get with Amarr & Winmatar. This is especially true because most of their ships are specialised and thus only suited for a few niche roles. They need more options than just Drake/Tengu or ECM. People who reply that Caldari are fine "because of Drake/Falcon" are just trolling.

The point is that the reasons the OP gives for buffing them are not really big problems. Caldari need a buff for the same reason that Gallente do - which is that the majority of their HYBRID ships suck and need fixing badly. Those fixes are coming this winter so we should wait and see how things look after this rebalance before asking for even more buffs/nerfs/changes.
Goose99
#25 - 2011-11-11 16:02:35 UTC
Korg Tronix wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Korg Tronix wrote:
TheButcherPete wrote:
OP is just wishing he could fly a Caldari ship like a Hurricane.

wahhhhhhhh why can't my 70k ehp drake do 700 dps also, waaaahhhhhhhh

H T F U :)

-Pete


Dont know about you but my ham drake does 80-90k ehp and 700dps.

OP is an idiot, all the races have pluses and minuses when it comes to ships and Caldari has some brilliant ships

Goose99 wrote:
There's nothing wrong with Caldari, because Caldari = drake, and drakes are fine in pvp. Raven = drake, Ferox = drake, Rokh = drake, Moa = drake, and everything else Caldari = drake. Thus nothing Caldari ever needs buff.

There's nothing wrong with Gallante, because Gallante = Nyx. Brutix = Nyx, Hyperion = Nyx, Thorax = Nyx, Diemost = Nyx, and everything else Gallante = Nyx. Thus nothing Gallante ever needs buff.


Merlin, Hookbill, Buzzard, Caracal, Drake, Scorpion, Onyx, Falcon/Rook, Blackbird, Kestrel, Hawk, Harpy are all great ships stop trolling


You're confusing "great" with "not completely useless for pvp," which is the case for everything in the small list other than drake and ecm boats (the stats of boats themselves actually suck pretty bad, but they fit ecm? lulz). Stuff like Hookbill is no better than 2 of the 3 other faction frigs. Hawk and Harpy are luckluster. Kestrel and Buzzard are crap, guess you just thrown them in to fill the numbers?Roll
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-11-12 06:22:04 UTC
OMG this guy is still going on about Caldari ships.

He has been complaining since more than a year ago. EVEseach the OP and you will see what I mean. You would figure by now he would have buffed up his fitting skills and learned how to take advantage of Caldari strengths, either that or cross trained.

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-11-12 07:47:19 UTC
HAM Drake: 642dps (17km), 89.7k ehp
Pulse Harby: 632dps (6.75km+3.75km), 76.2k ehp, sebo, web

Seems fine to me. If anything, the Drake is better.
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#28 - 2011-11-12 08:53:45 UTC
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
1. 99% of time in PvP you're MWDing- in which case everyone's sig is freaking massive, it's not just Caldari.

drake with shield rigs, t2 ammo and mwd has 3000m signature radius (like carrier) that is freaking massive Lol
Yin Utada
Doomheim
#29 - 2011-11-12 12:37:08 UTC
Caldari Hybrid ships are mostly (correction: all of them) ****, not caldari in general
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2011-11-12 13:47:25 UTC
Flying a Cerberus is fun. You can lob missiles at stuff from waaaaaay far off then you get yo watch all your targets warp off before missiles actually strike. It's real good stuff.Oops

It knows what you think.

Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-11-12 13:56:18 UTC
People complaining about sig radius on shield tanked battlecruisers :(
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#32 - 2011-11-14 07:34:05 UTC
Drake single handedly invalidates all your points
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2011-11-14 22:12:06 UTC
retribution has one mid slot, shut the **** up
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#34 - 2011-11-18 21:46:04 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Korg Tronix wrote:
[quote=Goose99][quote=Korg Tronix][quote=TheButcherPete]Talking Stuff


You're confusing "great" with "not completely useless for pvp," which is the case for everything in the small list other than drake and ecm boats (the stats of boats themselves actually suck pretty bad, but they fit ecm? lulz). Stuff like Hookbill is no better than 2 of the 3 other faction frigs. Hawk and Harpy are luckluster. Kestrel and Buzzard are crap, guess you just thrown them in to fill the numbers?Roll


Stop talking junk, the Hookbill is one of the best frigates that isnt called Dramiel/Daredevil. The Hawk is arguably one of the best AFs now, Dual Web/Active/Mse Buffer, Are all fantastic fits. The Harpy is as good as any blaster frigate. The Merlin/Kestrel are both brilliant t1 frigates, a well fit Merlin is as good as any Rifter and the Kestrel is decent.
The Buzzard is also brilliant as a combat cov ops frigate.

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#35 - 2011-11-19 01:17:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Drakes and Tengus are underpowered, they need to have more EHP and passive recharge. Also falcons, rooks and scorpions need a buff to their jams. Caldari ships are just completely useless in any PVP situation as is.
Mohr Cowbell
KarmaFleet University
#36 - 2011-11-19 06:49:38 UTC

Caldari are overpowered.
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#37 - 2011-11-19 08:18:16 UTC
If u wanna have a lot of fun and make others mad try Rook or Falcon.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#38 - 2011-11-19 17:16:05 UTC
How about flying caldari ships on caldari way?
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-11-19 18:25:26 UTC
Killstealing wrote:
retribution has one mid slot, shut the **** up


This.
vorneus
Hub2
#40 - 2011-11-19 20:04:38 UTC  |  Edited by: vorneus
Original post is, for the most part, complete and utter nonsense. Basically lists every "disadvantage" he can think of without mentioning any of the reasoning behind it. E.g:

Slower ships .... better damage projection, more lows for nanos
No room for ewar .... don't use all the MANY mids for tank. Caldari ships have more mids for a reason.
Not enough damage .... more room in lows for damage mods due to shield tanking

Also conveniently forgotten is the fact that Minmatar mostly shield tank, and mostly have less mids than Caldari. Then there's the whole fact that even Gallente ships resort to shield tanks because their combat philosophy of armor tanking while needing to get in extremely close, thus needing speed, but losing it because of armor mods/rigs, don't mesh with one another. (that last point isn't entirely relevant, but highlights how Caldari ships are fundamentally designed better than Gallente ones at present).

The only vaguely valid point is on the Caldari hybrid lineup, which points the finger squarely at hybrids, not Caldari in general. But wait.. they're trying to buff hybrids because they know it's a problem! Think yourself lucky you aren't forced into using hybrids like anyone looking to fly most Gallente ships :)

I could go on (such as selectable damage types, racial resist bonus rather than rep amount, ECM, blah bla), but there's little point as the first reply sets the record straight (+1 to you sir).

-Ed

This one time, I like, totally did some stuff.

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