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So Drones do CAUSE LAG... Interesting..

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#181 - 2014-01-25 02:54:28 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


We wont be putting all of our eggs into the carrier basket because they are going to be nerfed, just like the last five times when capitals were invulnerable to subcaps.


Wait, are you calling your leader a liar because he went on for over a year talking about putting a Boot in every hangar, so I'm going to go ahead and believe him since we've seen the Goon Boot fleet in Fountain.


So if you're done lying, why don't you answer the question, and let me word it for you in a way that leaves no room for error:

We've seen the Boot fleet, we know the CFC has one. We know you moved NINE HUNDRED caps into the theater here in the south so we know you have this many capital capable pilots who simply need to plug in a skill book should they not be carrier ready, so then why is the fleet of carriers that we know that the CFC can field not out taking systems since they can't be stopped?


This isn't hard Baltec, you don't have to keep dodging the question like this, you're starting to look a little silly here, you've managed to call Mittani a liar and then refuse to answer a very simple question.


Yes, lets dump our carriers into the largest titan fleet in the game, that sounds like a great idea!

No, all we need to do is wait on CCP to nerf the capital blob so that subcaps can take you on and you will die like you always have due to your lack of subcap ability.
Mario Putzo
#182 - 2014-01-25 02:54:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Andski wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Andski wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
How much Isk do you want to put on that?


100 tornadoes might kill an untanked carrier, but not a slowcat

thanks for playing you can send 5bn to this character


No one specified what we were talking about.

The PL Slow Fit can not be hit killed by 100 Nados (that requires about 125 with perfect skills)

But, a Damage Fit Carrier can be, a Rep fit Carrier can be, A travel fit Carrier can be, and yes an Untanked carrier can be alpha'd by 100 Nados.

So ill take 5BN thanks.

thankfully though if the Carrier is fit according to the PL slow profile...they won't be blapping 6 dudes every Arty cycle, they might get 3 dudes if they are lucky...so the 250 F1 and F2 monkeys in Nados can pop 2 carriers for every 3 dudes they lose.


"as a hisec miner, let me theorycraft a capital battle for you"

Hint you're wrong on all counts because "travel fit" carriers don't ******* exist in a capital battle



But 3/5 I listed are involved no? I am still unsure of what you are trying to say here.

You and your friends claim Nados can't kill Carriers. 100 Nados can kill 3 different types of carrier fits...125-130 can kill a fourth. Is there any other exceptions you guys want to get out of the way in this discussion?

~ They can't do it
~ Well maybe the can but not this ONE SPECIFIC FIT

What a joke. No wonder your coalition is the joke of EVE. We can meet in the middle you just send me 3 Bil 1 for each fit Nados can kill. We will call the unfit Carrier a wash and I will take the loss on the Slow fit because you need more than 100 guys,.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#183 - 2014-01-25 02:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
baltec1 wrote:


Yes, lets dump our carriers into the largest titan fleet in the game, that sounds like a great idea!

No, all we need to do is wait on CCP to nerf the capital blob so that subcaps can take you on and you will die like you always have due to your lack of subcap ability.


The CFC has more titans than us so if Titans are the answer to the Carrier blob why aren't you using those?

edit: before you shove your hoof in your mouth again, lets be clear:

You have more subcaps, more carriers, more dreads, more supers, and more titans by virtue of having over twice the numbers of this coalition. The combined weight of your fleets alone can actually blank out the servers.

So, where is your carrier blob that should be largely winning you the war that you're losing badly?

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#184 - 2014-01-25 02:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


We wont be putting all of our eggs into the carrier basket because they are going to be nerfed, just like the last five times when capitals were invulnerable to subcaps.


Wait, are you calling your leader a liar because he went on for over a year talking about putting a Boot in every hangar, so I'm going to go ahead and believe him since we've seen the Goon Boot fleet in Fountain.


So if you're done lying, why don't you answer the question, and let me word it for you in a way that leaves no room for error:

We've seen the Boot fleet, we know the CFC has one. We know you moved NINE HUNDRED caps into the theater here in the south so we know you have this many capital capable pilots who simply need to plug in a skill book should they not be carrier ready, so then why is the fleet of carriers that we know that the CFC can field not out taking systems since they can't be stopped?


This isn't hard Baltec, you don't have to keep dodging the question like this, you're starting to look a little silly here, you've managed to call Mittani a liar and then refuse to answer a very simple question.


Yes, lets dump our carriers into the largest titan fleet in the game, that sounds like a great idea!

No, all we need to do is wait on CCP to nerf the capital blob so that subcaps can take you on and you will die like you always have due to your lack of subcap ability.


So you agree to my point. You need 3-1 or more to fight. You wait for caps to be nerfed so your blue horde advantage kicks in which still means you suck and all you can do is throw meat.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#185 - 2014-01-25 02:57:32 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:



But 3/5 I listed are involved no? I am still unsure of what you are trying to say here.

You and your friends claim Nados can't kill Carriers. 100 Nados can kill 3 different types of carrier fits...125-130 can kill a fourth. Is there any other exceptions you guys want to get out of the way in this discussion?

~ They can't do it
~ Well maybe the can but not this ONE SPECIFIC FIT

What a joke. No wonder your coalition is the joke of EVE.


Your maths is still wrong.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#186 - 2014-01-25 02:58:45 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
I don't have any friends in Fountain but way to dodge the question yet again.


Carrier fleets, so invincible that the CFC wont explain why they're not using them.


Nobody's saying that they're invincible, for one. It's just laughable that you're defending some hisec miner's idea when all of his experience as a nullsec strategist was taking a bunch of ships into Fountain and not even making it there because they died to a smartbomb camp somewhere in lowsec.

"guys fly these tornadoes without prop mods and fight the slowcat blob with that, it's not like they'll die to an interceptor gang"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#187 - 2014-01-25 02:59:40 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:


So you agree to my point. You need 3-1 or more to fight. You wait for caps to be nerfed so your blue horde advantage kicks in which still means you suck and all you can do is throw meat.



N3/PL can match our numbers, they own the other half of EVE.

We wait because right now there is nothing that can kill the capital blobs.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#188 - 2014-01-25 02:59:47 UTC
So just to be clear on where this argument stands:

Carriers are so incredibly invincible that the CFC refuses to use them even when they hold a numerical advantage in every single ship class in game, and nobody can explain why that is.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#189 - 2014-01-25 03:00:07 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
The CFC has more titans than us


ahahaha what

it's like Molle has rubbed off on you and your narrative goes back and forth like a pendulum between "you have more titans" and "you should have invested more into titans"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#190 - 2014-01-25 03:00:32 UTC
Andski wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
I don't have any friends in Fountain but way to dodge the question yet again.


Carrier fleets, so invincible that the CFC wont explain why they're not using them.


Nobody's saying that they're invincible, for one. It's just laughable that you're defending some hisec miner's idea when all of his experience as a nullsec strategist was taking a bunch of ships into Fountain and not even making it there because they died to a smartbomb camp somewhere in lowsec.

"guys fly these tornadoes without prop mods and fight the slowcat blob with that, it's not like they'll die to an interceptor gang"


You still didn't answer the question Grath (and us all) asked a bazilion times.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#191 - 2014-01-25 03:00:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
I don't have any friends in Fountain but way to dodge the question yet again.


Carrier fleets, so invincible that the CFC wont explain why they're not using them.


Nobody's saying that they're invincible, for one.


You mean all these posts from Baltec and James saying there invincible aren't really saying they're invincible?



Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#192 - 2014-01-25 03:01:44 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
So just to be clear on where this argument stands:

Carriers are so incredibly invincible that the CFC refuses to use them even when they hold a numerical advantage in every single ship class in game, and nobody can explain why that is.


We have, several times.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#193 - 2014-01-25 03:02:28 UTC
Andski wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
The CFC has more titans than us


ahahaha what

it's like Molle has rubbed off on you and your narrative goes back and forth like a pendulum between "you have more titans" and "you should have invested more into titans"


I haven't told you to invest more in titans since you started to 2 years ago braj, sorry you must have me mistaken for somebody else.

You actually DO have more Titans than us, which is to be expected when you're running around with 80k dudes

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#194 - 2014-01-25 03:03:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:


So you agree to my point. You need 3-1 or more to fight. You wait for caps to be nerfed so your blue horde advantage kicks in which still means you suck and all you can do is throw meat.



N3/PL can match our numbers, they own the other half of EVE.

We wait because right now there is nothing that can kill the capital blobs.


You have been given ideas, doctrines, fleet composition and fleet tactics in about every forum you cry yet you still act like half of your brain literally stopped working.

Yes mister. You can't play this game. You are very bad at it and no matter what next bullshit answer you come up with we all know that the only thing you can do in this game is to force CCP to give you a hand. **** even battlefield cheaters have mor skill than you guys. You've hit the rock bottom of being bad.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#195 - 2014-01-25 03:03:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
So just to be clear on where this argument stands:

Carriers are so incredibly invincible that the CFC refuses to use them even when they hold a numerical advantage in every single ship class in game, and nobody can explain why that is.


We have, several times.


No, you actually haven 't.

You should tell more lies its fun, also Andski and you seem to have different opinions on this, he says you might be dumb for thinking carriers are invincible.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#196 - 2014-01-25 03:03:34 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:


You mean all these posts from Baltec and James saying there invincible aren't really saying they're invincible?





If the node didnt die then we would have the perfect counter.
Mario Putzo
#197 - 2014-01-25 03:04:52 UTC
Andski wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
I don't have any friends in Fountain but way to dodge the question yet again.


Carrier fleets, so invincible that the CFC wont explain why they're not using them.


Nobody's saying that they're invincible, for one. It's just laughable that you're defending some hisec miner's idea when all of his experience as a nullsec strategist was taking a bunch of ships into Fountain and not even making it there because they died to a smartbomb camp somewhere in lowsec.

"guys fly these tornadoes without prop mods and fight the slowcat blob with that, it's not like they'll die to an interceptor gang"


We actually died 1 jump out of B-D to a group of Gate Campers. vOv

But hey lets talk more about how a fun **** off venture fleet is meaningful in a discussion of why you risk averse cowards won't use Carriers if they are so OP, or won't use Supercapitals/Titans if Carriers are beaten by them.

We can put the fact that you don't know how to do math on the back burner for a while. I am sure the discussion will be much more enjoyable talking about whose the bigger space panzy.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#198 - 2014-01-25 03:05:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


You mean all these posts from Baltec and James saying there invincible aren't really saying they're invincible?





If the node didnt die then we would have the perfect counter.


3-1
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#199 - 2014-01-25 03:05:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


You mean all these posts from Baltec and James saying there invincible aren't really saying they're invincible?





If the node didnt die then we would have the perfect counter.


You have zero proof to back this statement up with, seems to be the story of Baltec1's posting life. When in doubt just make it all up

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#200 - 2014-01-25 03:05:40 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
You actually DO have more Titans than us, which is to be expected when you're running around with 80k dudes


now we have 80k members

oh man tell me more about these things we literally do not have

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar