EVE General Discussion

There's got to be another way other than to make a seperate ship with its own color, that would just be stupid.

and i dont mind supporting CCP with cash - as long as they're not greedy with their approach to selling it.

EVE is an online game, you don't 'own' anything.

Not so cut and dried, because that is your interpretation.

Nebulae are still a visual part of the game the same as clothing or ship skins, just different pixels. What purpose do the new Nebulae serve? well they are pretty to look at, seems like vanity to me. If I really wanted to stretch it I could say that most of the game is vanity.

Do you need the game to look pretty, it doesn't stop you from playing the game does it?



p.s. I'm sure there would also be RP'ers out there who would argue that items such as clothing are part of their environment.



And just in case you weren't sure yes I'm playing Devil's advocate.

It's not that hard to understand why CCP charged what they did actually, and I don't think it was about greed in the way some think. With the limited selection of items they had, combined with the fact that these items could not be destroyed and had no need to be repeatedly purchased, CCP almost had no choice but to put a high price point on the items.

If they had been cheap, everyone would have them all in no time, and nobody would be buying aurum anyways. Of course this is what happened anyways especially with the free aurum giveaways but that just shows how doomed a poorly stocked indestructible item nex store was from the start.

Ships skins are, in a sense, what the nex store should always have been about. Items that players will repeatedly purchase and can be sold for very small amounts. Similarly, if the nex store had contained hundreds of clothing options (especially if they were destructible) they could have been sold very cheaply. Then, converting a plex wouldn't have bought up every item.

I'm not saying I agree with CCPs plans at all, but given the recent financial problems the company has had, I think it's clear that it wasn't all about greed. In some ways it was about financial survival. But in that respect, if they ahd really wanted the Nex store to work, what it needed was:

cheap items
LOTS of items
items that would be repeatedly purchased

Ship skins are the first chance to actually do this

I would like to see player designs sold as a BPO's.

You make a skin/design and submit it, when CCP has verified it's not full of naked ladies ect. youll get a BPO for that skin. Submitting a design could cost 1 plex or 3500 AUR.

When building skins from the BPO you would build from AUR and get "skin rigs" for the "skin rig slot".
This way you could have a unique product selling zebra striped rifters or whatever rocks your boat.

I suggest something like these prices for building skin rigs.

Frig skin rig cost of 100 AUR.
Cruiser skin rig cost of 250 AUR.
Battleship skin rig cost of 500 AUR.

I don't think destructible one-use skins will be a big success. I expect quite a few players will buy them initially, but once the novelty wears off they will stop.

A better implementation imo is for the NeX store to sell players the rights to use a particular skin - a licensing model rather than a sale model. Once you have bought the license you can apply the skin as many times as you like, but it requires consumable resources each time (paint etc) and these are produced in-game by players. Seems to be win-win to me.

I personally am all for vanity rmt ... mainly because I think it will improve eve as a whole.

If we work with the following assumptions we can see how good this is for the rest of the game:

CCP would only implement vanity RMT if it was profitable

Vanity items will not bring new players to the game, but enrich the game for those already playing

Improved gameplay featues attracts new players.

To make VRMT more profitable CCP need to attract more players to the game. To attract more player to the game the game itself needs to improve. The more profit VRMT makes the more can be reinvested in the game.

BUT

The moment a gold ammo situation happens I'll be amongst the first to leave.

what is this Nex you speak of?

can you shoot it?

OP:

Ship skins may be on the NexShop and i can´t care less. All i hope is that they are destructable, so that someone can bring up "skinsageddon", where i defenatly will join.

Let the haters destroy every single painted hull, to maximise CCP´s profit. I want a pink domi for FREE.

And to the op

Ship skins should not be in the NeX store. They should be introduced to the game through traditional player content and should come from loyalty store offers (from the appropriate factions) from drops from pirates, from exploration content, from invention however else you can think of that involves players playing the game and making these things for sale to other players and thus preserving the eve economic sandbox.

Eve does not need more Microtransactions. It already has PLEX. Stop encouraging the idiotic pro MT faction in CCP to make more critical errors in their business planning. Eve Online is not like other games, it has a different focus, a different appeal. It sells to people that like the idea of a player-led economic conflict sandbox with a minimum of outside interference. Eve does not need NeX-provided content that short-circuits the sandbox.

Discussions about P2W/Vanity etc miss this essential point. It does damage the integrity of the economic simulation when content is delivered in a way that bypasses the activity of players. It is cheating players of opportunity to an in-game business of providing this stuff. And for a single server economic sandbox like Eve Online – that is just stupid.

So to your reasons to apologize for NeX/Ship skins.

I would hate ship skins being in the NeX store. (just as I hate the NeX store itself being in the client.

1. I do not consider myself an “idiot”

2. I do not want Incarna removed from the game, I want Incarna decoupled from NeX and NeX removed from the game.

3. I hate the NeX store because it represents a corrosive short-changing of the Eve player led economy and foot in the door for greedy MT schemes to the great detriment of Eve Online.

I am very happy for other players to have “black drakes” or “flashing light comets” but these things must be gained through traditional gameplay by somebody who then puts it on the market. If cash rich/isk poor fat cat players wish to buy these things let them buy and sell plex to afford the process of buying the skins they like from the players who earned these things through gameplay.

Lol. As the op said you can convert isk - plex - aur - shiny ship. So there might be RL money involved or not. My bets on that it does´nt make any difference in the amount of tears.

But i can support the rest of your post.