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Please don't get mad if ship skins are on the NeX store

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2011-11-09 04:05:24 UTC
It doesn't really matter if ship skins are destructible or not. I seriously doubt they will be. But if you're the only guy in a fleet standing out like the Backdoor Bandit, guess who is going to get shot first.

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Fionaa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#62 - 2011-11-09 04:08:02 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

From a different poster:

Quote:
I pay for my sub and i kinda take for granted that new game contet is what i keep paying eve online for, but maybe Im just fooling myself.


Okay, taking you seriously, by your definition the 4 new BC's coming next expansion should be provided to you for free as part of your subscription fee.


Your absolutly right I have to admit. But when you price the stuff in the nex store that high ccp are expecting people to buy plex. Now if i was able to convert 1 million isk into idk 100aurum to buy that pixel i could accept it.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#63 - 2011-11-09 04:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Fionaa wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

From a different poster:

Quote:
I pay for my sub and i kinda take for granted that new game contet is what i keep paying eve online for, but maybe Im just fooling myself.


Okay, taking you seriously, by your definition the 4 new BC's coming next expansion should be provided to you for free as part of your subscription fee.


Your absolutly right I have to admit. But when you price the stuff in the nex store that high ccp are expecting people to buy plex. Now if i was able to convert 1 million isk into idk 100aurum to buy that pixel i could accept it.


Yeah, I agree. That's why I pointed out they really, really need to get a realistic pricing scheme.

And ffs make all the items destructible as well as cheaper.

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Hallorin
Doomheim
#64 - 2011-11-09 04:12:52 UTC
Hershman wrote:


You are a fool if you believe a few vanity paint jobs are a substantial feature. Look at all of the new features coming this winter that are NOT on Nex.


Agreed.

If all (or even most) of the stuff in the planning right now makes it to the expansion, and then they threw in some reasonably priced ship skins on NeX, I for one would say...

"Thank you CCP, for a great expansion."

But, I'll say it again -- reasonably priced for a repeat purchase should be quite small, like 100 AUR or less. More than that and I won't be upset exactly, but more mystified.

CCP has an opportunity here to sell ship skins really cheap. So cheap that everyone will use them. And once everyone is using them and ships explode, then eventually they will buy more. As opposed to overpriced items only a few use a few times before they decide it's not worth it. I get why the original NeX items were so expensive -- they were one time purchases and if they were cheap, they'd flood the market and, being permanent, people would stop buying. But ship skins are a whole different animal. People can buy again and again and again. If CCP was smart these would be 100 AUR for a 3 run BPC.

Then even brand new players and trials would decide to pay 10 mil occasionally for a cool kaalakiota Caracal.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#65 - 2011-11-09 04:14:50 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
It doesn't really matter if ship skins are destructible or not. I seriously doubt they will be. But if you're the only guy in a fleet standing out like the Backdoor Bandit, guess who is going to get shot first.


Heya.

I have to point out that the only way you will "stand out" in a fleet is if the overview labels you differently from other ships with normal paint schemes.

Now you made a good point, as I think initially they were going to make the Ishukone Watch scorp show up by that name on the over view... which in my opinion (as well as yours I think) is a big mistake.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#66 - 2011-11-09 04:17:55 UTC
Oh, on a related note.

I want custom ship skins to show up on kill mails. Big smile

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Hallorin
Doomheim
#67 - 2011-11-09 04:19:14 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Written Word wrote:
Of course its going to be in the NeX store. They might be reasonably priced.

Because of all the other items on the NeX that are reasonably priced such as


Ahhh, but ship skins, if destructible, are very different. They don't have to be expensive for CCP to make a killing. In fact, the opposite is probably true.

And hopefully CCP will realize this.
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#68 - 2011-11-09 04:19:36 UTC
No, I actually would rather them price skins fairly high. As I stated in another thread already, this is why:

Hershman wrote:
Now, if new ship colors were presented as freebies instead of valued customizations, then everyone would color their ships. When everyone colors their ship the effect of producing a colored ship is diminished in value. In contrast, having more value in ship color adds additional dynamic to the amount of isk lost from a kill mail. Dynamics make things more interesting

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#69 - 2011-11-09 04:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Hallorin wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Written Word wrote:
Of course its going to be in the NeX store. They might be reasonably priced.

Because of all the other items on the NeX that are reasonably priced such as


Ahhh, but ship skins, if destructible, are very different. They don't have to be expensive for CCP to make a killing. In fact, the opposite is probably true.

And hopefully CCP will realize this.


Indeed.

Actually I hope they make all clothing behave like clothing.

As in:

1: Not cost millions.
2: Need to be taken with you if you expect to wear it at your destination.
3: Blows up if the star ship or pod it is in, (or the body it is on depending on your interpretation of proper pod apparel) is blown up around it.

Edit: If in cargo, has a chance to drop like everything else. (That's some damn sturdy luggage he had). And if they blow up your pod, it's gone gone. Unless they implement harvesting corpses for bio mass and implants, then add the clothing worn into the mix as well.

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Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#70 - 2011-11-09 04:26:30 UTC
From the other thread again

Hershman wrote:


A spray can of each color can be added for 500 AUR.

Maybe 3 uses per can of spray paint.

350m isk = 1 PLEX = 3,500 AUR - (3,500/500) * 3 = 21 Painted ships or 16.6m ISK per Ship

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Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#71 - 2011-11-09 04:28:24 UTC
By the way, don't forget that Items on Nex are also sold on the market by players. If you don't want to use AUR... you dont need to! Blink

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#72 - 2011-11-09 04:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
I will be disappointed if they make the paint jobs (such as the camo rubbish) default then expect us to buy real paint. Either way, I will probably avoid the ships. Simply won't use the NEX store, even with the free Aurum

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#73 - 2011-11-09 04:38:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Hershman
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I will be disappointed if they make the paint jobs (such as the camo rubbish) default then expect us to buy real paint. Either way, I will probably avoid the ships. Simply won't use the NEX store, even with the free Aurum


With your rapidly deteriorating interest in EVE (and everything else) maybe you should just quit, Can I have your stuff? Lol

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#74 - 2011-11-09 04:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I will be disappointed if they make the paint jobs (such as the camo rubbish) default then expect us to buy real paint. Either way, I will probably avoid the ships. Simply won't use the NEX store, even with the free Aurum


See, that's the really good part. If you don't want to buy anything... don't.

Keep in mind also that the "camo rubbish" has always been the default skin for the Gallante Navy ships. There was simply an exception that has apparently been brought into line... which makes sense (even though I am not fond of that color scheme either).

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#75 - 2011-11-09 04:45:15 UTC
For the record, I'm totally for ship skins in the NeX. It is definitely a vanity item, and it doesn't affect game play other than to draw attention to yourself. Corp/alliance skins would be cool. What people need to realize is that it should cost for every ship. You don't repaint your car for free, do you? It costs you in time and/or money. So should it in EvE.

Since ships explode frequently, I don't think that skins should be expensive, unless you want a custom job. Those can and should be more expensive. So let's see some generic palette-shifted skins to start. Cost = standard ship version + aur and gives you your reskinned ship.

I also see no reason why you shouldn't be able to reskin an already reskinned ship.

Reskinned ships should probably only be sold on contract to preserve the new skin. Otherwise, like rigs, when the ship is repackaged, it is lost and the ship reverts to its standard skinned version.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#76 - 2011-11-09 04:57:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
Yeah they go this route, Im out.
Star Trek Online tried the same thing.

Plus, if they havent learned their lesson with this NeX crap yet, then itll be good. Theyll be showing us they dont care about this game anymore (as a big chunk of the losses this summber was from this bullshit) and I wont be buying into that.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#77 - 2011-11-09 04:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Obsidian Hawk
Montevius Williams wrote:
Ship skin = Vanity. I have no issue at all with it being on the Nex market. If your ship is destroyed however, you need to buy a new skin. Thats my view.



And this is why people will suicide skinned ships.


Edit: I do support skinned ships as long as it costs the original ship, or the minerals to build the original ship. And the stats do not differ from the t1 varients.


IE. Roden shipyards mega will have the same stats as a tech 1 mega.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#78 - 2011-11-09 05:00:38 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:
Yeah they go this route, Im out.
Star Trek Online tried the same thing.


Not even close.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#79 - 2011-11-09 05:03:40 UTC
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
Ship skin = Vanity. I have no issue at all with it being on the Nex market. If your ship is destroyed however, you need to buy a new skin. Thats my view.



And this is why people will suicide skinned ships.


Edit: I do support skinned ships as long as it costs the original ship, or the minerals to build the original ship. And the stats do not differ from the t1 varients.


IE. Roden shipyards mega will have the same stats as a tech 1 mega.


If they take the time to visually look over their target (and in a suicide gank situation they probably will) you are likely correct.

Just like they do expensive ships likely supporting expensive equipment.

This is a good thing.

Besides, if you want to wear the bling, you obviously WANT to draw attention to yourself. Smile

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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#80 - 2011-11-09 05:04:02 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Richard Aiel wrote:
Yeah they go this route, Im out.
Star Trek Online tried the same thing.


Not even close.


really.... wanna elaborate on that?

https://www.startrekonline.com/store

click on "ships"

Those are vanity only skins for ships.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg