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Please don't get mad if ship skins are on the NeX store

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Cunane Jeran
#41 - 2011-11-09 02:37:37 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Stuff.


You raise some good points, but I believe CCP have already said (during the AT9 finals) that the ship skins would require AUR and the Ship as a trade in, so for a Roden Mega, it'd be a Mega + 500 aur or something

So it doesn't by-pass the market
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2011-11-09 02:50:44 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Okay I'll bite Mr Troll ......

Ship skins like other items in the game should be player produced. I find the NEX Store appologists like yourself extremely short sighted as to what is good for the game moving forward. Your attitude is, this doesn't affect my little piece of EVE so who gives a **** right.

CCP have chosen to belittle and marginalise any potential the items they have put in the NEX Store could have had on actual gameplay content. CCP looked to F2P games and what they were doing in their themeparks with microtransactions. At the same time conveniently ignoring that fact that EVE is a sandbox with Sub/PLEX already, but instead wanted to add what are now feature removing microtransactions on top of that rather than expanding gameplay content.

The items in the NEX could have still achieved what CCP wanted and also added gameplay benefits to the players, but instead the $500 sparkle tiger riding people and their ilk in CCP thought otherwise.

Yes CCP came very close to shitting on all the players that produced Scorpions with the Ishukone one being slated to be in the NEX Store just to see what happened. Thankfully they stopped only because someone spied it on the test server and made a forum post about it, otherwise CCP would have merrily gone ahead with it.

I respect your opinion, but propose that introducing a player-based skin manufacturing system will simply add too much delay to a feature I am greatly anticipating.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2011-11-09 02:52:10 UTC
Cunane Jeran wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Stuff.


You raise some good points, but I believe CCP have already said (during the AT9 finals) that the ship skins would require AUR and the Ship as a trade in, so for a Roden Mega, it'd be a Mega + 500 aur or something

So it doesn't by-pass the market

It bypasses the ability of the players to craft the skins. Same as the clothing.

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Cunane Jeran
#44 - 2011-11-09 02:57:42 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Cunane Jeran wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Stuff.


You raise some good points, but I believe CCP have already said (during the AT9 finals) that the ship skins would require AUR and the Ship as a trade in, so for a Roden Mega, it'd be a Mega + 500 aur or something

So it doesn't by-pass the market

It bypasses the ability of the players to craft the skins. Same as the clothing.


Actually I'll give you that, if PI goods were needed then it would be a lot better for everyone involved.
Yanto Widowmaker
Spaceship Jihad
#45 - 2011-11-09 03:03:33 UTC
Bling has no Sting, so all good with that! Big smile
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#46 - 2011-11-09 03:07:47 UTC
Backhands*

Default skins are free due to changes in quality requirements.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#47 - 2011-11-09 03:09:46 UTC
I actually don't care, as long as the default skins aren't stupid space camo for the bloody Comet! Evil


As long as the default skin is not painful, I wouldn't mind having the new skins be Nex items. Heck they might as well use it for something since our characters won't be getting much usage.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2011-11-09 03:11:35 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
I actually don't care, as long as the default skins aren't stupid space camo for the bloody Comet! Evil


As long as the default skin is not painful, I wouldn't mind having the new skins be Nex items. Heck they might as well use it for something since our characters won't be getting much usage.

I think I see the shape of CCP's new business plan: make the default skins so hideous that you have to spend cash in the microtransaction superstore to get rid of them.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#49 - 2011-11-09 03:12:34 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I actually don't care, as long as the default skins aren't stupid space camo for the bloody Comet! Evil


As long as the default skin is not painful, I wouldn't mind having the new skins be Nex items. Heck they might as well use it for something since our characters won't be getting much usage.

I think I see the shape of CCP's new business plan: make the default skins so hideous that you have to spend cash in the microtransaction superstore to get rid of them.

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Not a pleasant thought...
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#50 - 2011-11-09 03:18:41 UTC
You will always have the whining idiots who think Nex is the death of Eve...

For example: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27324

This is how it should be handled.

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Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2011-11-09 03:19:49 UTC
Of course its going to be in the NeX store. They might be reasonably priced.

No, there won't be any "custom skins", just the ability to pick a pre-created one.
Fionaa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#52 - 2011-11-09 03:30:04 UTC
Cunane Jeran wrote:
About the Nebula's should be NeX if ship skins are. Use your freaking head lad! Nebula's effect everyone, that's like saying you should be able to make Dodixie II a plasma planet with NeX. When NeX and ship skins is obviously a very personal change affecting only yourself.


I never said "nebulas should be in nex" Dont make **** up. Im just asking where do you draw the line about new gameplay contet being bought in nex store. I pay for my sub and i kinda take for granted that new game contet is what i keep paying eve online for, but maybe Im just fooling myself. And i really dont care about "core gameplay" "vanity" or whatever, pixels be pixels.
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#53 - 2011-11-09 03:35:16 UTC
Fionaa wrote:
Cunane Jeran wrote:
About the Nebula's should be NeX if ship skins are. Use your freaking head lad! Nebula's effect everyone, that's like saying you should be able to make Dodixie II a plasma planet with NeX. When NeX and ship skins is obviously a very personal change affecting only yourself.


I never said "nebulas should be in nex" Dont make **** up. Im just asking where do you draw the line about new gameplay contet being bought in nex store. I pay for my sub and i kinda take for granted that new game contet is what i keep paying eve online for, but maybe Im just fooling myself. And i really dont care about "core gameplay" "vanity" or whatever, pixels be pixels.


You are a fool if you believe a few vanity paint jobs are a substantial feature. Look at all of the new features coming this winter that are NOT on Nex.

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Tristan North
The Scope
#54 - 2011-11-09 03:37:06 UTC
What about nebulae sold by nex? And new ship models, and engine trails.
Vanity stuff, isn't it?
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2011-11-09 03:37:08 UTC
Fionaa wrote:
I never said "nebulas should be in nex" Dont make **** up. Im just asking where do you draw the line about new gameplay contet being bought in nex store. I pay for my sub and i kinda take for granted that new game contet is what i keep paying eve online for, but maybe Im just fooling myself. And i really dont care about "core gameplay" "vanity" or whatever, pixels be pixels.

I agree with you but you are going to be sadly disappointed if you think ship skins and/or logos won't be in the NeX.

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Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2011-11-09 03:37:29 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
[quote=Wacktopia]

See post by CCP Zymurgist here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1560099



irrelevant. youre extrapolating...so rumour thread. this was before they lost thousands of subs. Hilmar said Nex is on the backburner (fact).
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#57 - 2011-11-09 03:40:52 UTC
And this is why CCP is run by professionals, not a few angsty teenagers.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#58 - 2011-11-09 03:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
Hilmar said Nex is on the backburner (fact).


Hilmar said that the introduction of the NeX store was handled badly.

He said that WOD is on the back burner, and by extension we can infer that WIS content (save for what is already completed) is as well.

I have little doubt that the NeX store will remain, and that content will continue to be developed for it, if for no other reason than there is a direct tie in to DUST. This will be our conduit to sell items to DUST players, and vice versa.

Now I too am a strong advocate of involving the player industrial base in the creation of these items, but there is little or no doubt that they will be done via the NeX. Whether that means:

1: The NeX store sells a BPC or its equivalent for creating these items.
or
2: Part of the purchase price includes a variety of player harvested/constructed goods as part of the purchase price.

Either way is fine, and in fact enriches the game in a number of ways (including your own wallet).

People are just going to have to get past the misinformation that was parroted on the forums during it's terrible initial offering, and learn that the handle pay to win does not apply when you can buy the item just as easily with in game currency as with cash.

CCP, on the other hand, must absolutely include the current EVE industrial base on as many levels as possible in the items creation... and come up with some kind of realistic pricing scheme that players will actually accept as reasonable.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#59 - 2011-11-09 03:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Tristan North wrote:
What about nebulae sold by nex? And new ship models, and engine trails.
Vanity stuff, isn't it?


No, none of the above are vanity items.

Nebulae are part of the environment.

New ship models, such as the 4 being introduced next expansion, are core content available as BPO's and sold on the market.

Engine trails are a basic game mechanic, finally reintroduced after being enhanced and optimized in what will hopefully avert their former frame rate killing performance.

From a different poster:

Quote:
I pay for my sub and i kinda take for granted that new game contet is what i keep paying eve online for, but maybe Im just fooling myself.


Okay, taking you seriously, by your definition the 4 new BC's coming next expansion should be provided to you for free as part of your subscription fee.

But wait, you say, that's not what I meant. Obviously that is content that should be available for me to purchase with ISK, just like always.

That would be exactly correct, just like ship skins will be content that will be available for you to purchase with ISK.

You also have the option to pay for them more directly with cash if you are ISK poor... just as you currently have the option to buy a PLEX with cash and use the ISK you make from selling it to buy a spiffy new Tier 3 BC.

I'm sorry, your argument just doesn't hold water.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2011-11-09 04:04:30 UTC
Written Word wrote:
Of course its going to be in the NeX store. They might be reasonably priced.

Because of all the other items on the NeX that are reasonably priced such as

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