EVE General Discussion

You do know that the NeX store items were farmed out to another company right?

Yes. Just because you have a particular answer to the question (“Nah, let's just stick it into the NeX”) doesn't remove the question. In fact, it just raises additional questions regarding why on earth a specific skin isn't available from a specific vendor, and why you'd want to cut players out from the process of determining rarity.

By the way, since I missed it the first time around:
The latter three points are not reasons to have a NeX store since they are already handled far better by different mechanics already in the game.
The notion that it takes less time to release through the NeX is a false one — it must be updated through patching just like the market. The impact of the NeX is… quite spectacular, as we've seen over the last months. Moreover, even if it did have minimal impact, the same minimal impact could be reached using the pre-existing tools. At the same time, it raises the question of whether it shouldn't have an impact… by, for instance, adding more industrial options or broadening the range of viable LP stores or allowing for more variety and options in your investments and money-making schemes.

Oh, and the market already provides a unified place for skin purchase.

This leaves one actual point: the NeX is there to act as a PLEX sink, presumably to make CCP more money. That is its only role, only purpose, only function. Everything else is already done, and done better, by pre-existing mechanics. Against this stands the immense disadvantage of disallowing the content to be part of the normal industrial cycle, thereby robbing the game from gameplay content.

British, where the name was quite knowingly subborned for propaganda purposes by the war-ministry in WW2. I can remember some black and white films about Vidkun Quisling when I was a school that played quite regularly on the tv. As noted on the wikipedia entry - it is a literal gift for propagandists because the word is so evocative of a nasty slimy little turncoat.

Jade, we have already covered this repeatedly. I'm going to assume you didn't read large portions of the thread, which is fairly understandable.

For CCP to receive income from people buying PLEX to resell for ISK, it is beneficial to have as many reasons as possible for one player to buy PLEX from another with ISK.

The NeX provides another interface with the DUST econonmy, which we already know will be closely linked and be both AURUM and ISK based.

We also already know that due to player feed back CCP pulled back the release of the Ishukone Watch Scorpion until they could put in place the capability for the NeX store to either sell BPC's or to be able to accept player made goods (ship hulls, PI products, whatever) as part of the purchase price... thereby including player industry directly. For reference you can verify this by watching the interviews during the alliance tournament and the Dev Blogs concerning the delay of the Ishukone Watch Scorpion test release.

I am a very strong advocate for the current clothing items available to be put on this same system once it is in place.

These things have been pointed out before. I will assume you have forgotten this and are not simply ignoring them as they refute the points you are trying to make.

Problem is you didn't actually answer my question.
Quoting material from six month old dev blogs (pre NeXCarna rage and layoffs and change of company direction) is not convincing.
NeX is a failed experiement at best.

What is the point of it?

It might be a failed experiment and we don't like it but there is little doubt in my mind that they are gonna sell the ship-skins via NeX and probably also make them indestructible. CSM has already approved of this with the condition that player built ships are part of the transaction and since it is classified as vanity I don't see a new uprising coming either. It is a slippery slope but we are already on it and CCP really wants to make good use of their new PLEX sink.

Personally I don't think they are that stupid. Having lost the number of subs they did this summer and having now asked for feedback and analysis of the NeX rollout for management review I honestly don't think CCP is going to be as foolish as some of the proNeX players are.



This CSM has been criticised as being fairly non-representative of the player base this time around. The blind-eye they turned to NeX is a problem with their credibility. End of the day if the difference between Eve with NeX and Eve without NeX is 50,000 subscriptions that alone will make a powerful argument for getting rid of the thing. You'd need to sell an awful lot of monocles and ship skins to add up to half a million dollars a month.

Trying to avoid pyramid quoting Jade.



You do have a point that their plans for the NeX store may have changed or at least been delayed, we have no more current information.

However, at least my opinion is backed up with fact. It was, and presumably still is (until we hear otherwise) the next level of capability in the NeX store. That being to direclty include player industry.

This directly addresses perhaps the single largest argument against the inclusion of the NeX store.

I have little doubt there were many reasons for the development of the NeX store (many of them being very small things that have been glossed over in most of these debates). Obviously a large number of those reasons are internal to CCP and center around increasing their revenue without an increase in their monthly subscription fee.

If you fee that is an unworthy goal, or somehow dishonest, we regretably won't ever see eye to eye on this.

Reasons that immediately come to mind, and are undoubtably not a complete list:

1: Another intersection point between the EVE and the DUST economy. I know you have issues with this, but due to the free to play nature of DUST combinded with the fact that there will be cross over industry and economic factors between the two games (which is brilliant in my opinion) a higher degree of granularity is obviously needed.

2: A direct and more or less self contained interface to faciliate PLEX based transactions. Anything that makes it easier and less convoluted to purchase PLEX (with ISK or CASH) and spend said PLEX is undoubtedly viewed as a plus by CCP. As long as it doesn't detract from the current EVE economy, I have no issue with this... and again it's been clearly stated that the final form of the NeX is intended to include player based industry in a positive way.

My only complaints are:

It is that it is unclear as to whether the inclusion of player made items in the purchase price (or alternatively the sale of BPC's) will also end up being extended to clothing items. I'm fairly firmly commited to the concept of them following this same format.

All items sold through the NeX should be destructable (ship skins likely will be, but clothing should be as well), and priced accordingly.

So yes, it's not an ideal system yet. However I have no objection to the concept itself. I know this will be an unpopular stance, but I've never been one to let that influence stating my point of view.

I refuse to confuse the NeX store with Pay to Win or prejudice myself against it based on a fallacy.

I refuse to take the stance that a mechanic that is good for CCP's bottom line is automatically bad for the player base. If handled correctly, just the opposite is true.

I refuse to believe that CCP is unaware that it is in their best interest to have the NeX store closely tied to player industry.

So there you have it, hopefully not presented in a way that makes it seem like I refuse to acknowledge or deeply consider your point of view.

Introducing AUR to the EVE environment simply as a means to purchase DUST mercs, while entirely possible, would be extremely inefficient and limited when CCP can benefit financially from it's inclusion on other levels of the eve economy.

It would be illogical for them not to design it with as many uses a is practical, with the underlying restriction of not undermining the EVE economy in any significant way.

From what we have been told so far (unless those plans have changed) that is exactly what their intention was.

CCP is the game. If CCP suffers financially, EVE suffers as well.

EVE has zero need for the NeX and AUR as a stand alone product, but it is not going to be a stand alone product. You know this.

The only content that the NeX has "stolen away" is content that would not exist without it's inclusion to begin with. The plan for future content beyond clothing items (and hopefully they are paying attention when we say we would like clothing items to have more direct connection with current industry) has been clearly stated to directly involve current industry.

Much respect Tip, but you would be better served to recognize that latter point rather than continue to simply ignore it.